We have already exposed the 9-5SC in different posts here at SU, but some new details keep emerging. I will try to comment on them as they arise.
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On the Swiss SAAB site you can find the price list for the 9-5 Saloon MY 11 and for the 9-5 SC, which is MY 12.
It is interesting to see the upgrades the MY 12 will get in the Swiss market, as it is supposed, that the Sedan will get the same updates/upgrades.
But the most interesting is the fact that this is the first price list also showing technical data for the car. There is not much information to be seen there, but one very interesting figure is the consumption figure.
Normally a Wagon consumes slightly (0.2 – 0.4 l/100km) more than the equivalent Sedan. But here the MY 12 SC has lower figures than the MY 11 Sedan.
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BTW, the current dark amarello wood disappears.
good. probably some technical upgrades and MY12 sedan will get even lower numbers
Nearly every country in Europe can order the SC, exept for Germany. No price lists, no order possibilities. Saab Germany is (again and again…) still sleeping 🙁
Not really again and again, they have been quite fast in the introduction of the Griffin.
I have information from my local dealer about the introduction of the SC in Germany “not before September”.
Kudos to all the Saabsunitedcrew for continuation of first class service but tonight it’s time to go to the pub, the waiting is a killer [apologies for posting/hijacking in this blog]
Very impressed by the SC TTiD consumption number.
BTW why couldn’t VA’s bank finance the car production -pay the suppliers against Saabs backlog. The cars produced would act as collateral until customers payments come through. Basically no risk involved and good business for the bank.
It is vital to get the factory up and running next week!
@RS – I’ve often wondered the same thing.
The problem is probably that Saab is currently loosing around 20 000 – 30 000 SEK per car as of now. During one month that means that Saab would be (rougly) 75 million short in cash.
So I can see why the suppliers don’t want to have the cars as a deposit!
Patrik, the production per unit in itself is profitable (gross margin), there just haven’t been enough volume/month to cover other cost thus far. So factoring -like Till correctly mentioned- should work in theory just fine. Labor and taxes I believe are paid by Saab AB as we speak, even though the workers are sitting at home rolling their thumbs. One very important point is also that the minute they start production it will become their first profitable month if they crank up to full speed -unless they’ve slashed prices for cars on the orderbooks. So Saab should actually be able… Read more »
Would make sense, some kind of factoring.
It has also been mentioned that Vladimir has conncections who are also interested in investing, so it couldn’t be that hard to find something like 3 billion SEK and just pay off the EIB-loan AND start the production.
Then it’d also be piece a cake to loan money from a regular bank, if that’d be required.
I would love nothing more for. VM to kiss EIB goodbye. But the way its going, it probably wouldn’t accept VA’s money. I am only half joking.
But is that really up to EIB to decide, IF Antonov should pay off the entire loan?
Very interesting !
Its an ordeal and the pressure for the SAAB management, employees, dealers and suppliers must be terrible. And ironically SAAB havealready reached so much of the business plan (excl saleswise/capitalwise offcourse) in terms of new products – the SAAB 9 4 X , the upgraded 9 3 Griffin Line, the SAAB 9 5 SC all on the verge of being launched. Any potential buyer in China or V A can take quantum leap with regards to know how and technology by establishing a cooperation / joint venture with SAAB. A grim backside can be that some suitors now rather await… Read more »
Would be wonderful, if effectively fuel consumption has been lowered across the board. Or is this just changed methodology of measurement? Would be interisting to know, what the background is? Same or similar exercise like for My 2011 model year?
Sorry, was early in the morning:
Should be: Same or similar exercise like for 9-3 model year?
This are the notes on the consumption from the 9-5 Saloon and the 9-5 SC
9-5 Saloon (MY11)
1) Liter/100 km, gemessen gemäss EG-Richtlinie 80/1268/EWG.
9-5 SC (MY 12)
1) Liter/100 km, gemessen gemäss EG-Richtlinie 80/1268/EWG.
I would say that both cars have been measured the same way. I know that this values differ to the real life values, but real life values also differ from driver to driver, or as in my case they depend on my mood.
I looked at the Swiss pricing and I have to say, that it is disappointing. The car, given the current environment with Saab’s uncertain future and the Swiss franc exchange rate, is way too expensive. A fully equiped 9-5sc 2.8l Aero XWD costs roughly 95k CHF, similar configuration with the 2.0l 220hp XWD Aero costs roughly 92k CHF. These will be the bulk of models to be sold. There is a 5.2k CHF sign-on incentive, if orders are given prior to August 2011. Thus, prices may be reduced by that amount. To compare it: Switzerland has a low VAT of… Read more »
michaelb,
I know we live in a globalized world, but not in a global market. All markets are different and different markets accept different prices.
Every car maker has this price discrepancies, why is Saab the only car maker that has to offer the (funny) US prices world wide??
Noone asks for US prices, as directs imports from there are slightly more complicated. For car sales in general they don’t act as a reference. But: Switzerland is a border country, and the internet acts as a global marketing and sales tool. Most of the important economic areas (Zurich, Basel, Geneva, Ticino) are at the border or close to the border to neighbouring European countries with EUR prices. Often there are dealers at the border in those countries, that offer even home delivery and the paperwork in Switzerland to be done. Thus, there should be some form of alignment with… Read more »