Press Release: Pang Da and Youngman getting serious

Swedish Automobile, Saab Automobile, Pang Da And Youngman Convert Non-Binding MoU On Equity Investment Into Binding Agreement And Agree On Additional New Product Joint Venture Subject To Regulatory Approvals

Trollhättan, Sweden: Swedish Automobile N.V. (SWAN) and Saab Automobile AB (Saab Automobile) today announced the signing of final agreements with Pang Da Automobile Trade Co., Ltd. (Pang Da) and Zhejiang Youngman Lotus Automobile Co., Ltd. (Youngman), thereby converting the non-binding memorandum of understanding relating to the equity investment of Pang Da and Youngman announced on 13 June 2011 into binding agreements subject to regulatory and other third party approvals. Moreover, Saab Automobile announces a conditional agreement with Zhejiang Youngman Passenger Car Group Co., Ltd. (Youngman Passenger Car) on the formation of a Sweden-based joint venture company for the development of three new product Saab models (NPJV).

The non-binding MOU announced on 13 June 2011 between SWAN, Saab Automobile, Pang Da and Youngman in terms of which Pang Da and Youngman will make an equity investment in the total aggregate amount of EUR 245 million in SWAN have now been incorporated in binding agreements, while the parties continue working towards execution of binding agreements for a strategic alliance consisting of a tripartite distribution joint venture and a tripartite manufacturing joint venture for Saab-branded and child brand vehicles in China. The agreements are subject to approval from relevant authorities. The agreements allow for the return of Mr. Vladimir Antonov as a shareholder/financier of SWAN and Saab Automobile which the parties expect as soon as the parties at interest have cleared him.

The NPJV will be 50 percent owned by Saab Automobile and 50 percent by Youngman Passenger Car, and forms the foundation for an expansion of the Saab product portfolio with three models which until now did not form part of Saab Automobile’s current and future product portfolio. As such the NPJV will focus on developing three completely new Saab vehicles: the Saab ‘9-1’, Saab ‘9-6’ and Saab ‘9-7’.

Within the development process of these three new vehicle lines, Saab Automobile will be responsible for controlling and managing the design, the development and testing process to the start of production and providing other necessary technical and quality control support. For this, Saab Automobile will source existing capabilities and expertise from its state-of-the-art technical development department in Trollhättan. Youngman Passenger Car will be responsible for providing the necessary financial investments in the joint venture.

The agreement on NPJV is also subject to approval from relevant authorities, which SWAN, Saab Automobile and Youngman Passenger Car hope to obtain timely.

Victor Muller, CEO of SWAN and Saab Automobile said: “I am pleased to announce the signing of binding agreements (subject to obtaining regulatory approvals) with Pang Da and Youngman, as it underlines the confidence of all parties in a successful tripartite partnership. Establishing the New Product Joint Venture is a major step for both Saab Automobile and Youngman Passenger Car and marks the start of an exciting new partnership. This joint venture offers Saab Automobile the opportunity to develop models that were not envisaged nor funded in our original business plan: for instance, we will now be able to develop a small entry level Saab, a car that has long been on the top of our wish list.”

Mr. Pang Qingnian, CEO of Youngman, added: “The agreement on the New Product Joint Venture brings together the best of both worlds, merging the industrial and financial strength of Youngman Passenger Car with the state-of-the-art technical expertise of Saab Automobile. The Saab ‘9-6X’ and Saab ‘9-7’ will be key to enhancing the prestige of the Saab brand to an even larger group of customers in China and the US, while the entry level Saab ‘9-1’ will appeal to urban motorists around the globe.”

Mr. Pang Qinghua, CEO of Pang Da, commented: “I am very happy to have signed binding agreements with our partners, which further feeds my confidence in a successful future for Saab Automobile. We were already impressed with Saab’s current and planned product portfolio to date and with the addition of three new Saab models, the brand will be even better positioned to meet demand in markets around the world and China in particular.”

124 thoughts on “Press Release: Pang Da and Youngman getting serious”

    • +1, the 9-X BH is the nicest Saab concept the last 15 years. 😉

      Indeed very good news with some more long term financing. Now let’s hope the Chinese authorities are ok with this.

  1. Oh, what a great news!
    Hopefully, there is no problem with the approvals from relevant authorities.
    If not; finally, great opportunites ahead!

  2. It seems like our Russian Doctor will be very happy today.
    A 9-6x (on top of the 9-4x) and a 9-7 on top of the 9-5 !!!!

    • How large are those going to be… I am worried by the direction it takes, there is no reassurance of retaining the production in Sweden nor the current model lines. OTOH, it might seem the production of “child brand” vehicles is off the menu as well.

        • Jokes apart,
          the only thing we know of those three models is the name, the rest are assumptions.

          We can also see this development differently. With a 9-7 and a 9-6x, the 9-5 and the 9-4x in its next incarnation could be a bit smaller (on the outside only), compelling more the European taste.

      • I honestly think that Saab would be better served not splintering their brand into sub-brands. I think that only makes for brands that have been sufficiently established with a particular market and wish to expand without alienating current customers (BMW and MINI being a perfect example of this).

        A good model which one could argue Saab is following, would be the same as Hyundai’s: Their release of the Genesis and Equus, highly premium cars, but without splintering the brand. I don’t mean to compare Hyundai and Saab as they are totally different animals but having owned a Hyundai Sonata as my previous car, this is the first example that comes to mind.

      • Although the presser doesn’t say anything on the Chinese based JV’s, it says that the former non-binding agreement is now binding which means the JV’s are still part of the deal.

        • Yup, this all is getting rather ugly… I do hope the “9-6X” and “9-7” are just codenames of enhanced Phoenix-based models whose development cycle will be accelerated to replace GM-based cars more quickly. After all, the business plan didn’t seem to include 9-4X and 9-5 replacements.

          • Relax, we don’t know what it is. 9-7 could be a luxury sedan but also a luxury coupé based on the 9-5. What is important, SAAB MUST cater to the needs and taste of the Chinese and Russian market while maintaining the SAAB DNA. At the same time they need to build cars for the European and US market. I think the mix that we can see now (although we don’t know what it is exactly) looks like a good mix!

          • Don’t forget about the 9-1.
            IMO this is how you become a European premium brand in the general publics eyes!
            It’s so difficult (I’d say impossible) to sit in the position where Saab has been for the past 20 years. Only enthusiast know Saabs are in many ways better than the german products -especially value to price and in the winter conditions.

            If they now build cars that can beat big Bimmers and Mercs on their own terms (power but with really low consumption) no one will overlook SAAB ever again.
            Saab has always been the best on regular highways in driving characteristics and comfort. Some journos even claim it’s the most fun, so this move is a real winner in my books.

    • I think the 9-5 is a (too?) large car already. So I suspect the 9-7 to be a long-wheel-base model of the 9-5 for China only. Saabs should stand for low emissions (like current double turbo diesels) and Scandinavian design!

      Good news anyway!

    • I am upset in fact, I have to go Siberia today and my car stopped accelerating well after last drag race vs mazda 6 mps (won 9 bodies @ 402m even with acceleration problems) 🙁 And today is not even starting… And had tons of problems with it for last days, did not even have mood to flood the side
      But I have to admit F class limo and large full size suv made my day! Also new 9-5 is finally arriving, it makes me feel better.

  3. Wow! Fantastic news.

    So now we are waiting fort the approval from the Chinese government?

    As Saab wants to levave the economic arrangement with the EIB I assume that once we the Chinese goverment approves the deal Saab will find a private bank who can lend Saab the money to repay EIB. In that case I can’t see that the Swedish government or the EIB have anything to say about either Youngman/Pang Da or Antonov. Right?

    Not feeling that nauseous anymore and still hoping for the best.

  4. What a great start to Monday Morning.

    This is excellent news, and I really hope that this will happen. Let’s just hope that the NRDC approves this deal and soon.

  5. BTW, it seems like a natural development if we see what Geely is planning for Volvo, or VW presenting the Phaeton in China first.

    • Fortunately, Geely’s management could be convinced building an oil-tanker-sized Volvo is a bad idea and it seems shelved. Making the Volvo Universe Concept look absolutely terrible sure helped a lot 😉

      I am worried that there is absolute misunderstanding of Saab’s brand on both sides. Saab is not just another Western prestige brand you slap on a large sedan to make it “prestigious”. It’s like GM used “GMC” to brand a Gamma-based supermini to sell it at higher margins. Oh wait…

      • I’m not sure about Geely being convinced not to build a s100.

        And talking about the GMC super-mini. It is coming back with a revenge.
        The pacer and the gremlin want to take over the world, at least in Cars 2 😉

      • I think you have a point. It is very important for Saab to continue develop cars with a meaning, with an ethic attitude and “inner significance” . So I am also sceptical to the very huge cars, which will not have very much meaning in the future society…
        Still I am happy for Saab to secure their future.

    • I agree large cars look somewhat comical and strange on euroean streets, but there are countries where they fit better, like US, Russia or China, where you’ve got lots of six-or-more-lane broad streets (and almost no small ones), long distances and severe weather and traffic conditions. Ever tried to travel in a small car in -30C and in snow regularly? Or even start it and painfully wait for a half an hour for small engine to heat the car? Or stand still in a traffic jam for a couple of hours without proper soundproofing and air filtering?

      • Also, large cars really benefit in safety when the speed at the intersections are more than 100 km/h. And that’s everyday reality in some countries also.

        • It’s not the size thing, it’s that the 9-5 is already a juggernaut and Saab is having issues trying to move the car against other of its size and price. If the 9-7 were to be an even larger sedan, it would have been a recipe for disaster. If, however, it’s an MPV, it would make a lot of sense.

          • I disagree. I bought my ’92 Saab 900 because it looked bigger and more solid than the comparable BMW. I also bought a big 9-5 wagon. I like the bigness. Saab, moving ahead.

          • +1 Vagabond. The 3-series is tiny compared to OG 900. The B wagon is a joke in terms of practicality.

      • Spending a couple of hours i a traffic jam is in any case to be avoided! Public transport is a better solution in such areas. Large cars may be a good cash generator in China, the US and some other emerging markets, but it is not the future elsewhere on this planet.

        Safety is important, but please stop the “bigger car to be safe” race. Otherwise we would all be driving around in tanks! 😉 Personally I believe SUVs should be banned from urban areas, as they are lethal to pedestrians. But now we are getting off topic. Sorry.

        The good news is that Saab can get funds and hopefully build a smaller car.

  6. Nothing is said about where these new models are to be produced, does that mean that they will be produced in China for Chinese and USA market, but developed in Sweden?

    • merging the industrial and financial strength of Youngman Passenger Car with the state-of-the-art technical expertise of Saab Automobile.

      One possible interpretation of this supports your theory Angel-off. By industrial strength they could very well be implying: manufacturing.

      • True, would not surprise me if some production will be done in China. On the other hand, the Trollhattan factory has some (…) capacity left and configured to build the 9-3 and 9-5. Most manufacturers split production over the world. Why not have another continent added to the two locations that are now in place (Sweden and USA)?

  7. It’s going to be really interesting to see Trollhättan’s take on the sub-compact entry-luxury coupe/sportscombi (which it sounds like the Saab 9-1 will be). I’m expecting this car to be extremely appealing to folks that would normally be stuck with choosing between, let’s say, a Mazda or Nissan 370Z for an inexpensive car with delightful handling and performance. With Saab’s style and premium feel, I can easily see the 9-1 being a home run.

    The Saab 9-6, and 9-7 could be extremely compelling, but I’m expecting them to probably compete against the likes of a BMW 6/7 series and Audi A5-8 models. This will definitely boost Saab’s prestige level and could have the effect of enhancing sales of both the 9-3 and 9-5.

    For me, personally: I’m guessing the 9-3 will continue to be the sweet-spot for me (with the 9-5 being a possibility if I decided to splurge a bit more).

    • The 9-6 is in fact a 9-6x, e.g. a crossover.

      The 9-1 has been formerly been positioned to fight the Mini, 1-series, upcoming Mercedes A-class etc.

      No sports car such as the 370Z or RX8, in other words. These offer good bang for the bucks, power and handling but lower levels of premiumness, vs. the Mini etc which offer premium feel but not raw performance such as the Z.

  8. GREAT and exciting news !!!! 🙂
    Especially the 9-1 shall be very welcome in the future Saab-model-range. The 9-6X is less equivalent to the future, where efficiency and ecological care will be substantial for the survival of human being.
    As a reminder off that aspect we have just (Saturday) had rain of historical dimensions here in Copenhagen: Electricity gone, great traffic-problems, because roads were like floods, water-filled dwellings and cellars.
    (Personally I have lost many one-off furniture-prototypes, drawings and much more from my water-filled cellar… 🙁 )

  9. Personally I could not care where the cars will be made. Saab was on the life support machine with the power running out. In the last week the turnaround has been fantastic. And 3 new models is the icing on the cake! The only key part missing is START OF PRODUCTION….

    • good point.

      I think if Apple’s designs can be fully realized in Chinese factories, the same can be true for Saab cars. This will however require some very careful oversight from the folks in Trollhättan. All that being said, I certainly hope that they will still build at least some of their cars in Sweden, even if it is just the 9-3 and 9-5.

  10. I wonder if larger cars are the right way to go – even the States are moving towards smaller cars with lower emissions and better consumption – and when will production re-start?

  11. wow, nice news to use on a bleary Monday morning. I´m absolutely happy that things are moving in the right direction. Looks like the long term financing is being secured and I hope that the factory starts building cars ASAP.

  12. STRRRRRIKE! The 9-1 is definitely the way to go. Looking so much forward to it. This is going to be the car to replace my current 9-3. Until then, I’ll keep and love the one I got. Go SAAB!!!

  13. Great news! Especially for the announcement of the 9-1, of which we have heard a lot recently. So it seems that VM now has found the desired inverstor for this project. As for the 9-6 and 9-7, we’ll have to wait and see. Maybe it is needed in some markets, I’m sure they know what they’ll be doing.

  14. I really hope these are to be built in Trollhättan…
    9-6 and 9-7 seems very ambicious at this point… I would bet on the 9-1 (or 9-2), that would be a seller…
    What about engines ? It’s about time SAAB gets a 3.0 diesel.

    • For a possible 9-1 model, it would be nice if it would have a v4 engine. These days, it’s more often the occasional Subaru Impreza that reminds me of this engine layout’s unique sound; more often than the rare remaining Saab 96 still driving around…
      Perhaps Saab can use that engine for its 9-1 and develop it further.

    • “I really hope these are to be built in Trollhättan…”
      Wasn’t the whole point with this that they would not be? As it was mentioned earlier, a way to the Chinese market, and thus production over there.

      Within the development process of these three new vehicle lines, Saab Automobile will be responsible for controlling and managing the design, the development and testing process to the start of production and providing other necessary technical and quality control support.

  15. Definitely great news… 9-1 will not be the biggest profit-machine but it is a necessity if Saab wants to attract younger people.
    Still, that Chinese government approval is a big question mark. Let’s hope for the best!

  16. Joy cometh in the morning!

    As for the larger models, if the Chinese want to pay for development of them and think they can build them and sell them in China, then fine. All it means is extra revenue and a strengthened development center for Trollhättan. The 9-1, though, I really hope they will build in Trollhättan alongside the 9-3 and 9-5.

    • Isn’t that part of every deal? Whether it’s European companies merging or anything else, always government agencies need to give their approval.
      Personally I think agreements like these, and the recent visit of the Chinese government can been seen a possitive.

      • Of course, but in this case both “regulatory” and “third party” are an unreliable bunch; EIB, Chinese authorities, Swedish politicians…

    • Ken,
      everything nowadays is subject to regulatory and other third party approvals.
      I don’t feel like having to.

  17. Bad things first…

    Making claims about 3 new models gives the agreement a bit of “too good to be true” feel.
    The world doesn’t need more larger than 9-5 cars. USA is waking up to this and I think that China is too. The one type of car Saab has claimed it will never build is an MPV. I really don’t have any idea how a Saab MPV would look like. It’s hard to imagine. But I’d sure like to see the Saab take on it.
    Production in China for China (Asia) is OK. For the rest of the world, not so much.

    Good things

    Yabadabadoo! Well done Mr. Muller et. al!

    PS. The 9-6 and 9-7 names may not mean what we think. DS

    • Just like I said at Inside Saab: The 9-6X could as well be the same size as todays 9-4X, whereas the next version of 9-4X will probably get a bit smaller. The same thing with 9-5 vs 9-7. I wouldn’t be surprised if the future version of the 9-5 is going to be the same size as todays 9-3, whereas the 9-3 would be smaller than it is today – hence the lack of mention of a 9-2 in this new deal… Sounds fair enough for me 🙂

      • I think you’re probably pretty close. Here is how I see it playing out:

        Future lineup:
        9-4X – Will probably now be based on the 9-3, smaller, and more of a companion to the 9-3 (vs the current 9-4X being more of a companion to the 9-5)
        9-6X – Will fill the role (in size and mission) of the current 9-4X, which will get smaller as above.
        9-7 – Who knows, maybe a long wheelbase, China/Russia only version of the 9-5, much as the Hyundai Equus is to the Genesis?

        Around the world, save for the 9-7, I think this represents the minimum lineup that is needed to go to battle with other makers, especially on the SUV front. What does BMW have? X1, X3, X5, X6, and they’re considering an X4 as well, right? Audi has a near identical lineup and it’s the XC60 not the XC90 that’s powering Volvo right now.

        My concern: Where does funding for the next 9-3 and 9-5 come from? Certainly not from the existing business plan…

      • Peter, we already know (unless my memory is wrong – in that case, please correct me!) that the next 9-3 will be slightly bigger than the present one. If you’re talking about the next 9-3 after that, then you’re a long time into the future!

        • Didn’t they say that the new 9-3 would be a return to the hatchback? So that might be a bit bigger in terms of trunk room. It would be nice to have a little more backseat room, too. I pity anyone who has to sit in the backseat behind me with the drivers’ seat pushed back all the way. Even so, I think the current 9-3 is a good size. Volvo is discontinuing the s40 in the US because it’s not selling. Too small, I guess. By the way, yesterday a coworker and I held a contest in our work driveway… who’s car is cooler: my black 2007 9-3 or his blue 2010 Volvo s40. Several on-lookers offered opinions. My Saab won.

          • Just change your driving position to DTM style.
            That should give plenty of space in the back.
            I will always claim that my OG9-3 is bigger than NG9-3 inside..Because is isn’t as “fat” and with that miserable excuse of luggage space they call SW/SC.

    • If we only drove what we “need” most would drive small Hyundai hatchbacks . . . If China (and Russia) want large sedans and SUVs, you must provide that to sell any cars. I think this is what will continue to sell well in the US for a long time as well. Eventually they probably develop a “better” taste and buy smaller and smarter cars.

      • Here in the US, I think that crossovers and mid-size to large sedans will continue to power sales for some time. While I think there’s now a more stable and “reliable” market for smaller cars here vs the past (the Cruze, Focus, and Elantra are all doing very well here right now), mostly I think due to changing demographics (over 50% of US households are now make up of one individual only), I really think crossovers and larger sedans will continue to be the meat of this market.

        I’ve heard for the past 25 years now how Americans are eventually going to “wake up” and embrace smaller cars and I’ve come to think people who still believe that are just completely ignoring reality. Americans just don’t want them… Period. It’s the culture here. There’s no societal importance or status placed on anything small or restraining. Just talk to people. Size, comfort, and enough performance to be able to pass the proletariat in their Corollas and Civics as they accelerate away from a street light is what Americans desire.

        The only way US consumers will buy smaller cars is if they are financially forced to do so. And that means $5 per gallon gas or up. It just won’t happen until then, and people will accept that like they accept swallowing a bad tasting medicine. They’ll see a small car purchase as a “temporary, necessary” purchase until, somehow, gas prices fall down to “normal” and they can buy what they actually want.

        Those analyzing the US market every couple of years express amazement at how, when gas prices fall, consumers go back to large vehicles, somehow failing to have internalized the clear and magnetic attraction of smaller vehicles. It’s simple… They don’t want them! You’d be shocked how many people say they like my Turbo-X SC but say, “That’s way too small for me.” That’s why the crossover is such marketing genius. The average one isn’t really any bigger than my 9-3, but the height and girth fool people into thinking they’re buying big.

        • Things can – and probably will – change suddenly – when, during the next few years, the real consequences of the climate-changes will begin to appear..
          Hopefully it will – in time -make many people seeing a prestige in being concious and ethical.and see the elegance in “just fitting”. The alternative to this change in minds is not delightful to think about…

        • Incidentally, Chevrolet sold more cars than trucks in June, something that hadn’t happened for decades. Having (finally) decent small cars to offer must of helped!

  18. Godd news indeed!
    The Trollhättan factory has capacity for around 200000 cars. And it would be stupid to move production to China for the european market, it costs to much. Most of the asian car makers have factories in Europe for a reason. So I’m confident there will be a lot of production in Trollhättan, and that’s important for us who lives in the area.

  19. Excellent! Really good news, does this mean more money (the development costs?) Or is Saab supposted to use the money from the deal to pay for these new products?

    • Youngman Passenger Car will be responsible for providing the necessary financial investments in the joint venture.


      • One more thing, trying to figure out if the difference between the binding agreement (245€m) and the conditional agreement regarding the development for the three new models.

        I wonder if this is only “subject to regulatory and other third party approvals” or if there are other factors to take into account before this conditional agreement is finalized as well?

        Anyhow, great news!

  20. As much which is happening in China, the Chinese Authorities has probably / hopefully something to do with this. I would not foresee that Youngman and Pang Da on their own, at this stage, are going out and taking this step. Remember that
    1. Youngman was the chosen company by the Chinese Authorities in the first place. Youngman and Pang Da had probably contact with the Authorities before signing the MOU.
    2. The Chinese Authorities was visiting Sweden recently – it is more of a coincidence that this contract signing is coming shortly after their visit. Probably they got some assurances from different parties.

    Still it can / will take some time before the formal decision will be taken, but considering the facts above, I would say that the probability of approval has increased substantially.

  21. I was to an amusement park this weekend but the roller coaster was nothing compared to the ride that SAAB and VM takes us to 🙂

  22. This is good news …… very good news …..

    Now I understand the next step is the Chinese Gvt. to OK the deal ….. right?

  23. Very good news indeed!!!

    SAAB wants to show that it has a future. I hope the suppliers understand it so shipments can resume and then cars will roll-off the plant. But of course there a still several other things to obtain/ solve (Chinese Government approvals, VA into SAAB, the EIB loan,…)

    Nevertheless this is getting better and better.

  24. Looks like a smoke cover to me… Release a press-statement, so the focus is changed from delayed production-startup to China. Or like the Dutch press stated:
    ‘Saab announced another three cars that WON’T be build!’

  25. Everyone seems to immediately assume that these projects, cars, are for the whole world. Wasn’t the joint venture (“a tripartite manufacturing joint venture for Saab-branded and child brand vehicles in China.”) production for the Chinese market, or have I missed something? Indeed, in a short line at the end the CEO of Youngman mentions something about different markets, but that hasn’t been mentioned earlier. So, my first assumption when I heard about the JV wasn’t that I would be able to get one of those in Northern Europe. Nothing wrong per se; I would like to see Saab sell cars in China, that’s a start.

  26. I very much hope that they are not only interested in the technology; there was some unofficial, unnamed, comment from one of them I think, some weeks ago, that they weren’t interested in JVs etc. they wanted tech. Many companies over there have not been interested in “organic growing”; don’t have the patience, so they leap instead, buying, etc.

  27. From localradio P4väst:
    EIB has approved the European Investment Bank (EIB) has approved the Saab’s property, said the bank said. The deal will give 255 million dollars.

      • Ha ha; well; wasn’t looking at their site for some minutes, and also: the SU site didn’t respond, or took very long time time to respond. As was going to hit Submit, I saw the comment above but thought a link or two would be good. Then of course, after hitting Submit, I realised that it would be waiting for moderation since I posted 2 links. Ah well. Can’t you update to some better software, or trim the rules amount of links/check the against IP number or user name. I would like to be able to search my or someone else’s comments, impossible; the forum software isn’t that good, you can’t easily spot latest comments etc. Well, the posts from SU are the most important here.

        • Of course, a moderated post! I should have realized that. I’ve been stuck in the filter myself – though I am seriously impressed by how quickly the post was let through.

          I completely agree about allowing two links per post! Any spammer that means business would go for many more links than that, so two shouldn’t make a difference in that regard.

          I also agree on the usefulness of being able to search for a specific user’s comments, and a better way than the right margin to see a list of recent comments; but I think these latter things would require hands-on programming in the site’s WordPress engine, and I imagine the guys have better things to do. (Like writing excellent posts, for instance!)

          Still, maybe you should mail your opinions to the crew, to make sure they see them. It’s probably an impossible job for them to keep up with every single comment.

  28. BTW, EIB approved it before the Swedish NDO; who would have thought that that would ever happen? 🙂
    OK, NDO, we are waiting on you. 😀

    • Heh. 🙂 Whatever comes, I’m looking forward to see cars that look like Saabs; and I think I recognise one when I see one. To be honest, as a Swede it took some time before I heard about and saw the 9-7x and I was shocked, thinking it was the ugliest “Saab” around. Some, in the media, or comments to media, have been questioning if the 9-4x is a real Saab. I have no problem whatsoever with that one. I can see 900, heck even Saab 96 in the 9-4x. But the 9-7x was pure badge engineering in my mind.

      • Badge enginnering- and the engineering was precisely where? in the glue? That terrm is a misnoma…when it means “badge sticking on”

        Agreed-it was very poor and not a Saab. Nice to see the 9-4x is done properly.

  29. SVD’s Jonas Fröbergs take on the current situation:

    The fat lady has not left the building yet. A bit scary to hear that vibes from the meeting with the powerful NDRC has not overly positive.

    Let´s hope for a production start asap, that’s the most important step for now. Resumed production is the only thing that counts for now, the rest we will see…

  30. Natuurlijk: de band staat 12 weken stil, onze bestelling wordt eerdaags afbesteld door de leasemaatschappij. Wij hebben er tenminste eentje in bestelling staan. Dat toont onze intentie. Bedankt!

    • I guess it does Robert 🙂
      I have had some conversations with our car lease company cause they wanted me to cancel my order. So far I haven’t agreed but I’m still waiting for my car which should have been delivered back in April….

  31. A 9-7 would surely have to be XWD only? A car larger than the (already large) 9-5 with front wheel drive might not be much of a handler. I agree with some comments in that the current 9-5’s replacement might get a bit smaller, and allow a larger 9-7 to fit at the top of the range. The current 9-5 is only the size that it is because GM originally wanted to make the 9-3’s replacement Insignia sized and therefore the 9-5 had to be even bigger. This would have given us 2 Saabs with something like a Buick Regal and LaCrosse relationship. GM then decided not to make the 9-3’s replacement quite so big before it sold off the company. Hopefully we’ll end up with something in between the size of the current 9-3 and an Insignia/Regal and hopefully not more than 4.7 metres in length . Making a new 9-3 the size of a 9000CS would be quite pointless I think.

    Unfortunately ‘9-6x’ evokes memories of the stillborn Saabaru SUV/CUV. I really wish Saab would start to use names instead of these 9-* designations. As to the 9-1, I hope it’s something new. Saab really needs to move forward and put old GM era styling concepts behind it. The 9-X BH was Aero-X styled. Future Saabs will be more influenced by the Phoenix concept I think. Anyway the 9-X BH lacked originality. It looked far too like a Skoda concept for it’s own good.

    • Hopefully we’ll end up with something in between the size of the current 9-3 and an Insignia/Regal and hopefully not more than 4.7 metres in length . Making a new 9-3 the size of a 9000CS would be quite pointless I think.

      The NG9-3 is within a few mm the same size as the original 9000. Make that car a tad longer and you have copied the 9000 CS.
      Sounds perfect to me.

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