24 thoughts on “Car & Driver on US Saab sales”

  1. I enjoyed the commenter on that article who suggested that a fully loaded Accord was better than a $50k 9-5 Aero discounted down in the low 30s.

    Crazy.

    As for the article, I agree with your sentiment, it’s well written. The warranty Charles River is bundling with its cars seems like a fairly good deal considering the car only had a 4/50k and now will sell with a 4/75k and can still be serviced at CRS. Seems like a win if you want the car.

  2. The author also editorialized that a Jetta Wagon is a good replacement for the
    9-5 wagon and I haven’t stopped laughing since I read that. The Jetta (particularly the TDI) is an appealing compact wagon. It’s not a 9-5 by any stretch of the imagination, in any way. Other thing: If the best of the best platinum warranty is $2500.00—-they say that’s 4 years and 75,000 miles with no deductible—-what’s all the squawking about? This $2500.00 figure is the high end and it’s what consumers pay, not dealers. So instead of discounting the cars by $17,000, why not discount them by $15,000 or less, and include the warranty that is longer than most other car makers even offer? The article also says parts shouldn’t be a problem and dealers will be sticking around. I’m not sure if all of this is true—-but if it’s accurate, it seems as though there is a solution for all of the objections.

    • Chances are a new Saab will not need 2,0000 worth of repairs in the first 4 yrs of ownership, Forget the warranty and use $ for discount. Having said this, I understand certain consumers simply have low risk tolerance and prefer to pay for security.

    • So for those of us who did purchase Spyker/SWAN Saab in North America, are you purchasing an aftermarket warranty or are you holding out a bit? I’m on the fence. Mine has 6000 miles and I’ve needed two minor warranty fixes to date, but the potential piece of mind may be worth it. Thoughts?

      • Wow, it’s a tough question to answer. But I will tell you, I’ve purchased extended vehicle warranties before, several times, and I don’t regret it. The big payoff was on a 1988 Peugeot 505 GLS. After the factory warranty expired, my extended warranty kicked in. I paid $585.00 for that warranty and the insurance company paid out about $4500.00 in various claims—-the biggest two being a blown head gasket and replacing a complete wiring harness that caught fire. I still believe the wiring harness problem was a result of something the dealership did wrong on the head gasket repair—-since it happened as soon as I got my car back. The other warranties have paid out too, though I think in most cases, I paid more for the warranty than the claims ended up being. But you also have piece of mind—-driving a car that is covered for most big mishaps. I have a GMPP extended warranty still in effect (until July or August of 2012) on my 2004 Saab 9-5. So far, there hasn’t been much action on that—-I think one minor repair so far. But you have to figure, if you have even one moderate problem—-something with the engine or transmission—-the warranty might pay for itself. Also, these warranties are transferable. If you go to sell the car, you can sell it to the new owner with a warranty that transfers for a small fee. I just traded in a Buick for a 2007 Kia Sedona with 112,000 miles on it. I found a warranty from AAA for $1750.00 that covers me for 2 years and 24,000 miles—-not comprehensive, but it covers the powertrain as well as things like power windows and door locks, suspension parts and more. I got a low price on the van, so I had the money to put into the warranty. I’ve bought from AAA previously and they are good. If it were me, I’d probably put a warranty on a new Saab instead of insuring myself against a possible engine or transmission failure—-or something else. Today, car repairs are through the roof—-huge expenses are possible. Fanofsaab hit the nail on the head—-I’m one of those people who like buying some level of security.

      • Also, if there is a warranty repair (at least on the AAA extended warranty program), you get a rental car for some period of time. But there is something that has me concerned about all of this: Usually, the extended warranties are priced based on the car being in a manufacturers warranty period for the first few years—-then the aftermarket warranty kicks in. In this case, they’d be covering it from the very beginning. I guess if anything, they should be happy, since they’re covering a brand new car instead of one that has miles racked up on it—-but I still wonder if this is taken into consideration by everyone.

        • Thanks Angelo. There was someone on here who worked for Ally (GMAC) and had a contact through them. I guess I should check with a local mechanic or dealer to see if they would accept the after-market warranty I was considering, or if they could recommend one. Of course, I am still holding out a touch of hope that Saab Cars North America will come up with a solution, or better yet someone comes in and “saves” Saab Automobile AB and restores warranties. Not sure how long I’m willing to gamble though.

        • I should add, there is still the whole parts availability issue. I would hate to spend $2500 on a warranty and then the parts weren’t available anyway. I know this SHOULD be straightened out soon, but……..just another thing to consider.

    • No kidding. I couldn’t beleive that he compared a Jetta Wagon to a 9-5 Wagon, not even close. And with VW being the in the top three lowest in realibility, I think Jag and Land Rover are 1 and 2… If my Saabs were not newer and low mileage and I was looking for a car, the 4/75K mile warranty on a new 9-5 would be nice, regardless of saving a few thousand more on the discount. My guess the discount can still be had with cash in hand…

    • I went through exactly this process 2 weeks, ago. We test drove a Jetta Sportwagen. TDI, and almost went for it. The problem was that I just couldn’t get rid of the feeling that I was driving a toy. The 9-5 felt like a car you could drive instead of a toy to ride in. Plus we had a horrible experience with a Passat wagon that kept just falling apart and wearing out 3x faster than my 9-5. We ended up keeping our 03 9-5 sedan, dumping the Passat, and buying a 4 year old 9-5 wagon. It was less money than the Jetta, and alot more car. 2 weeks later and not a trace of regret

      Saab: You can drive something else, but why?

  3. So let me get this straight: GM won’t allow a sale to Youngman because the current cars contain important GM parts and essential IP… yet they won’t fix or warranty the cars because… they don’t have enough GM parts and IP?

  4. I posted this on Saab Cars’s Facebook page, but thought it would be good to pass this on to all of you as well. It may also be nice if we could encourage GM to pick up our warranties in North America. —–Saab owners, dealers, former employees, enthusiasts: Contact GM and let them know about your displeasure with their handling of the Saab situation. You will reach a REAL live person. Also, you can opt-out of receiving any GM promotional literature via mail, toll-free 866-944-4004. The more who call, the better! Happy New Year!

  5. One SFlorida dealer is holding off with discounts and will use remaining 9-5’s for customer loaner cars..the other dealer is passionate about SAAB and wrote the following:”Owning a Saab is like being a member of an exclusive club made up of highly passionate drivers. etc” lets hope a new buyer appears soon so the dealer can get cars to customers …on the warrenty side if GM has build many of the parts in our new 9-5’s but wont let someone buy SAAB preferring bankruptcy …this smells of a Class Action Lawsuit.. Company A makes parts that could be defective earlier then expected in Car builder B..car builder B tries to sell Company to a buyer and keep warrenty but Company A says no…hmm Company is liable for any defective parts used in said vehicles…gosh forbid we move to Lemon laws in US..

    Also for those in the US looking for some customization options …which are hard to find here. We love Hirsch here but difficult to find in most states…look here http://www.carid.com/saab-accessories/

  6. Interesting timing on the article. I took delivery on a beautiful new 2011 9-5 today from Charles River Saab and thoroughly enjoyed working with them. Being the oldest and highest volume Saab dealer in the States I felt comfortable that they’ll be around for a while. My local dealer did not have the exact car I wanted at a competitive price, so I was forced to look out of state. I am getting the 4yr/ 75,000 mi warrenty, so now I’ll just lose sleep over the parts situation until there is a breakthrough. There were some negative comments previously here about some dealers having “fire sales”. As far as I’m concerned that is a business decision that each dealer has to make. Some dealers may be partially banking on end-of-year tax writeoffs. Others may be able to sit on thier inventory longer, but with the car company in bankruptcy it is probably just a matter of time before they decide to price the cars to move. Potential buyers should not be afraid to make aggressive offers. It might still get interesting when the new 9-5 inventory dwindles and the hesitant faithful cough up full price just to get one of the last ones. I’m absolutely thrilled with my 9-5 and hope to have it for a very long time. Good luck to everyone else who is thinking of taking the plunge.

  7. Thank you JM. It is a T4 Premium with Harmon Kardon sound in Granite gray. Would have liked the Aero, but it was not in the budget so to speak. I gave my 9-3 to my son, so the 9-5 is a huge upgrade for me. Love it.

  8. We really wanted a wagon, CR Saab had 2 beautiful 9-5 SC’s. They both sold in the same week. I was lucky to get one of them. Had we not had the hard requirement for a wagon, I got a nice look at the NG 95. Had the SC been available, I’d have gone for that instead. No regrets, couldn’t be happier with the car or with CR Saab

  9. I bought a 2011 9-3 in September. At the time I looked into buying the extended warranty offered by the dealer–Repair Advantage Max by Ally/GMAC. I stupidly didn’t do it, as it would have been just $1540 for 6 years, 60K. But I thought there would be a little warning about a bankruptcy and that I wouldn’t just wake up on a Monday morning and it’s all over and done with. In any case, I contacted the dealer (Shaw Saab in the Boston area) the day of the bankruptcy and on Wednesday went in and bought the Repair Advantage Select plan (not as comprehensive as Max, alas, but it’s the best they offered post Dec 19). You can choose any number of years and mileage combinations. I did 5 years, 60K, since the car has 9,000 miles and I drive about 10K per year. The cost was $1800, which didn’t seem too crazy and I got a great deal on the vehicle anyway as an ex-loaner, almost as discounted as today’s sales. I am on Christmas holiday visiting my family in Minnesota and visited Morrie’s Saab a couple days ago. They are selling their cars at very good prices, but you’d have to buy a warranty through State Farm for $2400 extra but it is bumper to bumper. On the Tuesday after Christmas they had 14 new Saabs, now they just have 8.

  10. SaabMan: In the past, one strategy I’ve had for car buying is to buy used and get a lot more car for the money and much nicer—-make the best deal—–then cover it with the best extended warranty you could find at a good price. I tend to stay with names I know—Geico, AAA or a manufacturers extended warranty—-and I’ve had very good experiences doing it this way. I do understand that if you go for a no-name or something sketchy over the internet, you could be out a lot of money and a fly by night insurer disappears. If the dealer is selling it, there’s a very good chance it’s a good, legitimate product. With these new Saabs—-the deals sound so good, it’s like buying used, except you’re getting a brand new car and putting the first miles on it. Adding one of these warranties seals the deal—-premium car, premium warranty (better than many factory warranties) and a bargain price. And frankly, depending on the future—-if driving something that isn’t seen often is a plus—-there’s no doubt that this is the way to go. And the icing on the cake is that the last Saabs were some of the most dramatic, beautiful designs they’ve ever had—-in fact, they are among the best looking mass production cars in their class that I’ve seen.

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