James Cain on 9-4x production

Automotive News feature an article asking if the 9-4x could be rebadged under another GM brand as it is such a great vehicle. While I can understand that they liked it on their test drive I’d hate to see it rebadged. That thought came up as the image of a 9-4x with a German GG number plate surfaced a while ago. But GM seems to be done with that issue if we believe a well known spokesman:

“Our plant in Mexico has already adjusted to the end of 9-4X production,” GM spokesman Jim Cain said today.

In the end this adds to the statements we heared before that GM won’t grant licenses for the cars based on their IP. Even if this quote is not totally clear I hope it also means that we won’t see the 9-4x rebadged as some Opel or Chevrolet crossover.

akis96
Member

The 9-4x was my favourite new Saab… shorter then 5m (so one can find a parking lot), lot’s of space… nice car. I’d re-re-badge an Opel 9-4x to a Saab and put some Anti-GM stickers on it, too 😉

phermansson
Member

On the edge of bankruptcy, saved by the government, and now they’re burning money again. Well done.

paul
Member

The more things change at GM, the more they stay the same.

Joel R. Wolfrom
Member

Our great SAAB dealership south of West Chester, PA sales rep has stated that (GM) actively was crushing to destroy and scrap any 9-4X vehicles recently manufactured. Not likely any then any shall appear for US distribution going forward.

Angelo V.
Member

That is not surprising at all. It is how the sub-humans at GM think. They are so dellusional, they think if someone has a 9-4—-but eventually can’t get parts for it, can’t get service—they have a chance to sell that person a GM sport utility. They think it’ll be the bling-bling Cadillac version. They might even offer $250.00 or some crap toward the purchase. They are such morons, such moochers.

natalie
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I am the proud owner of a Saab 9-4X and was hit by another car on the freeway, BEFORE the bankruptcy and low and behold their are no parts. Thankfully I had an amazing collision center that could fix the body damage, and my insurance will pay to re-fix it if and when the parts ever come in, which I have been told, may be NEVER!!!. Becase of this ordeal I found out GM manufactured all of the 2011 9-4X’s, but will not take responsibility for them or make any effort to release parts, and thier explanation via thier customer… Read more »
Aero1
Member

There needs to be a Class Action against GM for what they are doing, they should not be allowed to get away with any of this!

Angelo V.
Member

You could bail out an idiot—-but they’ll still behave like an idiot!

MariusGTV
Member

It would not surprise me at all if the 9-4x were to be seen under another GM branded badge. If there is one thing car makers love its getting the most bang for their buck even if it is just a case of switching badges. Just look at FIAT rebadging Lancias as Chryslers (and Chryslers as Lancias). Its not big and its not clever!

Snowshoe
Member

The statement actually says nothing.
It probably tells the truth as is now but it tells nothing about the future.

hans h
Member

Who is this Jim Cain, and why are his balls frozen?

saabdog
Member

This made me laugh…your comment would make a great bumper sticker.

Jim.be
Member

+1

Chek Enjin Soon
Member

+1

Angelo V.
Member

I can answer that seriously: He’s the world’s biggest DOOFUS!

StefanH STHLM
Member

I probably über-analyze……
When he says “Our plant in Mexico has already adjusted to the end of 9-4X production,” GM spokesman Jim Cain said today.”,
he doesnt say that the production material never will be used again. Only never ever in Mexico.
It may be shipped to somewhere else. Germany perhaps and used there…….with another badge….

MariusGTV
Member

He doesn’t say it will never be used in Mexico either. All he says is that the Mexico plant has ‘adjusted’ to the end of 9-4x production. That could mean they have put the Saab badges in a box and stored them in a cupboard. It could mean anything. Thats just it. The statement says nothing.

Griffin Up! Cuore Sportivo!

StefanH STHLM
Member

+93x 🙂

StefanH STHLM
Member

Yes. He still keeps the door open to use the model. But he makes it sound the other way around.
Smart kuy.

Nick
Member

In normal cases I would agree rebadge isnt a good Idea but in this case I think its a good idea.
1. SAAB doesnt exsist anymore.
2. A great car and would lift opel status!
3. It wasnt produced in any big numbers

Chris Carrier
Member

Since when does Saab not exist anymore?!

Nick
Member

Since they wen’t in to bankruptcy.

RS
Member

So GM vanished because they went belly-up in 09?
You better not tell the bidders who are planning to put hundreds of millions on the table for something that doesn’t exist any more (Saab).

Nick
Member

Hi, Im not really going to debate how the different between a Chapter 11 and a Swedish Bankruptcy is. But the company SAAB Automobile AB doesn’t exist anymore. If someone buys the rmains of SAAB Automobile AB they have to start new a Company etc.

RS
Member

Hey, I hear you. I’m not here to pick a fight either.
The point is you first statement; quote: ”1. SAAB doesn’t exist anymore.” is wrong.
SAAB as a brand or the NG 9-3 and Phoenix blueprints haven’t gone anywhere. Saab Automobile AB’s equity is gone but that’s not what you were saying.
I just don’t like people declaring SAAB cars dead -as in something truly gone forever, when it’s likely that there will be new ones built again in THN, maybe even this year?

Note to buyer: Swedish production is a must.

Nick
Member

Yes and no. 🙂 The SAAB brand is actually lost when SAAB Automobile AB is gone. But anyone that buys the remains can of course discuss with SAAB AB (Defense Company) if they can use the SAAB brand. I think the outcome of a that talk is dependent on the business plan and how much money the buyer has. But noone really knows for sure.

Mailr
Member

Saab Automobile still exists as a legal person. If somebody buys all of a bankrupt company, it is often accomplished by negotiating a deal with the creditor to get 75% of them to approve, get the judge to finalize it and the reversing out of the bankruptcy. So, Saab being dead is the wrong description, fatally wounded is more acurate.

Nick
Member

I don’t think this is correct actually. In sweden you can’t reverse a bankrupcy.All deals that the former company had done is not valid anymore and it doesn’t matter if you strike a deal with the creditors. That would work in a reconstruction phase more like the Chapter 11. But the remains can still be sold and a new company can of course try to strike new deal with Creditors and Dealerships and so on.

Angelo V.
Member

I don’t know anything about emerging from bankruptcy (if “emerging” is possible) in Sweden. But if Saab is dead—-what are those parties going to bid on? Aren’t they, de facto, bidding on Saab??? Or is it the remains of Saab and there can’t still BE a Saab? All along, I’ve thought that if someone bids and gets the Saab factory, the rights to produce the 9-3, in-house platforms that are being developed, maybe the Saab name—that they’re getting Saab. Is this wrong?

Nick
Member

Angelo, If that’s what you have always thought was SAAB then you are correct. But to me SAAB was a bit more then just one model.

You have to remember that all dealer deals need to be renegotiated. Just because they produce the 9-3 again they don’t have anywhere to sell it.

There is alot of things that was “SAAB” that isn’t there anymore.

Angelo V.
Member
Nick: I get that—-but what we’ve been talking about here—-is the possibility—-maybe remote—-but still there—-that a company can buy the LIVING remains of Saab and assuming the horse’s ass, GM, won’t allow 9-5 or 9-4 production—-the new owner could replace the comparatively small percentage of GM originated parts/technology on the 9-3 and go with that as the bread and butter, for the time being, until new platform/new models can be brought to market. It is conceivable that depending on who the new owner is—-they might have access to a car that can be re-engineered/restlyed and rebadged as a Saab, in… Read more »
Alberto
Member

Nick, go to an Opel forum and bring your comments there. It’s not particularly smart to provoke like you did.

Nick
Member

What? Just because I think it’s a good idea doesn’t mean I intend to provoke.
Even a SAAB can be a bit bigger then that.

Alberto
Member

Ok smartypants, you know what the other guys up in this page and I mean: we are here waiting for a bidder to take over SAAB and restart the company.Clearly the moment is delicate. People here really like SAAB and seeing a nice car like 9.4x disappear is not a nice feeling. Again: take your ‘saab is dead’ and ‘9.4x should be opel’ somewhere else. Put them in the back of your GM truck.

Nick
Member

It’s not even worth giving a comment to this. You don’t have a clue where I come from and what my situation is regarding SAAB!!! If people can’t discuss a topic that SU have posted they have to close the comments!

900_S
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First of all, the 9-4X is basically owned by GM. It’s a brilliant car developed by Saab using a GM platform. This is incredibly unfortunate because GM was able to take it away, essentially, which was a critical point in Saab’s ultimate collapse. The Saab 9-4X can only come back if GM agrees to license the technology to whomever attempts to resurrect the brand, should they even want to go that route. GM have refused all Chinese involvement, so it’s pretty safe to say the 9-4X isn’t anticipated to be part of Saab’s relaunch. Second of all, should someone feel… Read more »
900_S
Member

Whoa. NOTHING Nick said was provoking. His statement wasn’t even necessarily pro-Opel, either. He could have easily meant the 9-4X is such a solid car that it would flourish and boost sales of any brand, but Opel was mentioned as a what-if in the original post by Till. I don’t want to put words in anyone’s mouth, but I repeat: nothing in Nick’s comment was provoking.

Alberto
Member

I’m sure you also appreciated the ‘saab is dead’ part…

ivo 71
Member

Well, he is right, isn’t he, up to a point. Bankruptcy IS the death of an enterprise. But, in some cases, the remains can be reanimated which is exactly what the receivers are doing now. Let’s just hope Saab will be one of those -very rare- cases that can be brought back from virtual death.

Ivo

Nick
Member

+1

Red J
Member

Ivo,
the Saab fans are hoping for that resurrection and sentences like the 9-4x should be rebranded as an Opel/Buick/Chevy/GMC because Saab is dead hurt big time, no matter if the sentence is right or wrong.

I don’t care if Nick is right or wrong, but if he writes what he has written he should expect that someone here doesn’t like his words.

Nick
Member

So just because you don’t like what I write you can write what crap you like?? Good to know! Maybe you should add that to the SU rules that if you don’t agree to someone that writes not in direct faivour of SAAB you can bash him!!

I might also add that alot of SAAB dealers in Sweden sell Opel aswell and if they don’t sell anything they will die and can’t sell SAAB if someone buys the remains and get approved to use SAAB as a brand.

Red J
Member

Calm down,
nobody is bashing you!!!!

And let me answer to your three points.

To one; up to 5 parties are trying to revive the brand, not only the factory.
To two; Opel has long lost its status, and now they have in-house competition, as Chevrolet is offering the same quality as Opel for less money, and I don’t know in Sweden but here in Germany Saab drivers normally don’t buy Opel.
To three; For a Saab owner it doesn’t matter if a car has only been build one time or a million times.

Toby K
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RED J you are failry accurate in your reply about cross-shopping I have spoken to many people in the UK about this and for Saab owners it is normally (and surprisingly for me) Volvo, Jaguar-maybe Audi then at the lower end Alfa (although less now the 159 is no longer available) and Skoda who do an excellent Audi without the badge…… but rarely Merc or BMW and I think after all of this never another GM product. That is as far as my research goes what most people think who owned Saabs. It is fair to say GM are at… Read more »
ivo 71
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Red J: I don’t like it either and feel just as hurt as you do. Not so much by what Nick is saying but more vby the fact that he might actually turn out to be right in real life. Anyway, all I’m saying is that if someone writes that Saab is dead because it has been declared bankrupt then he is, in the cold light of the day, correct even if not very tactful given the readership of his statements. But, in stark contrast to a human being, dead car manufacturers can sometimes rise from death. Maybe this time… Read more »
David-SAAB
Member

+1

Timur
Member

Kind of surprising to see that a Saab fan could care about Opel. To me, GM should go to hell with all their brands including Opel.

Nick
Member

I might also add that alot of SAAB dealers in Sweden sell Opel aswell and if they don’t sell anything they will die and can’t sell SAAB if someone buys the remains and get approved to use SAAB as a brand.

Aero1
Member

Negativity has gone on long enough! If you or anyone else is unhappy with SAAB or GM- GO and complain on GM’s Facebook page! Some of us are actuallly holding out hope that SAAB will be bought and restarted and really your negative speech belongs else where!

Angelo V.
Member

They’ve already sent Pontiac, Geo, Hummer, Saturn and Oldsmobile to the glue factory. Why not Opel?

900 classic cab
Guest

GM won’t change their mind nor rebadge. They already have the Cadillac SRX, why waste resources and focus ? I feel bad for the 9-4x though, the original SUV, a great car that could sell reasonably well with 2.0 and 3.0 diesel engines.

saab92aero
Member

Could have been nice with the 2.0 engine GM canceled even before Saab went bankrupt. Performance like a V8

GerritN
Member

Considering the great reviews on the 9-4x handling I wouldn’t be surprised if lots of the Saab tweaks will find their way into the 2013 SRX.

Baver
Member

And with a Head-Up Display, that was oddly lacking.

Angelo V.
Member

I could offer a couple reasons:
1) Cadillac’s version is “Bling, Jr.” to the obnoxious Escalade. I guess rap singers and pro athletes prefer the larger Escalade—-but the SRX is still plenty expensive, limiting it’s market.
2) If they can sell it for thousands less through another division, it pays back more of the investment in the platform.

Thylmuc
Member

There are several reasons:
-Cadillac does not fly in Europe, and I can’t see changing that.
-the 9-4x otoh is European style
-Opel is not doing well, and to get a new model for free would not be too bad for them
-Recuperation of development cost

M.A.
Member

Should we understand that there’s no way back and that GM doesn’t want to reach any kind of agreement with the future owner of SAAB?

MrTinkertrain
Member

This was my first thought too…

Rolf Hägg
Guest

They have been saying it all along, not sure why everyone keeps up the hope. The only way is a solution w/ out GM and that’s a looooooooooooooong expensive road to travel. Not to mention each day I log on here and see no news so in this case, no news is bad news… IMHO…

Angelo V.
Member

“All along” since mid-December you mean?

Rolf Hägg
Guest

Yes, I hold no hope that GM will do anything to help Saab, they want them to go away.

Angelo V.
Member

And I agree with you—-this is a case of no news is bad news. I really believe that this week is critical—-the bids have to be in or at least we should be hearing firm dates—not estimated dates—-but actual deadlined dates when the bid or bids will be delivered. If we get out of the first or second week of February with this thing languishing, I will go from cautiously optimisitic to extremely doubtful. Patience is a good thing—-but we have to be realistic.

Alex740
Member

GM has washed it’s hands of Saab the same way Saab fans have washed their hands with GM. I do not understand why we even bother discussing it anymore.

Angelo V.
Member

yes, we should all understand that.

Jasper
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Jasper

Yes.
But, their loss– lots of profit in cooperation with others.

scand
Member

That Mexico plant has a capacity of 90 000 units, I believe, and is currently running at capacity with the cadillac SRX and , I think, the Arcadia. No need for them to go back to low margin contract manufacturing for a 3rd party brand.

OliverH
Member

Mayer they don’t rebadge but they could use the better chassis setup from Saab. The statement makes me happy as this terminates a not good partnership/ a “partnership” with different goals.

mnztr
Member

It would be pretty funny if GM rebadges it and gets sued by SAAB of IP theft… lol

ivo 71
Member

But it won’t. As the 9-4X was developed when GM was still the owner of Saab, GM owns all IP in that car. Maybe a few post-GM tweaks are Saab’s own.

Ivo

hilmar
Member

For the future get rid of GM. Their corporate image is bad.

Angelo V.
Member
Honestly, a huge number of Americans view GM products as crap. I’m not the only one. I was at the big DC car show on Sunday and talked to lots of people who were surprised at the fact that the Fords and Chrysler/Fiat products were so much nicer than the GMs. On the luxury front, people generally agreed with me that the Cadillacs had a lot of “bling” that might impress a rap singer and his groupies—but look tacky to others. The interiors were busy. Ford and Chrysler/FIAT felt more expensive/refined. So did the imports. My point is that yes,… Read more »
Baver
Member

Would have to agree with you, Angelo.

saabfanatic
Member

Let’s hope for good news in the up coming days. Even If it ends up with the new buyer sacrificing both 95 and 94x models for the sake of GM-free SAAB, I’d say let it happen and concentrate on the true SAAB models instead. I personally love to see a nice hatchback like this one instead of a GM-built 94x
http://www.autoguide.com/gallery/gallery.php/d/222482-6/saab-91-concept-the-mini-saab-medium_9.jpg

Claude Hutchings
Member

Yes I think you are right,, I love for the hatchback to come back..

dezzer
Member

100% behind you on that one

Chris Carrier
Member
I’ve said it before, but if that happens and the new owners do not throw a huge bone to those who bought a 9-5 or 9-4, that will be a big mistake. I can live with two orphaned cars only if the new owner will make serious overtures to make sure I stay in the fold. I love Saab, but I would just end up bitter if the new owner did nothing for me and simply blamed GM for it. This would be especially damaging I believe, because they would be alienating those willing to purchase new Saabs which are… Read more »
Baver
Member

Let’s hope so.

Angelo V.
Member

I don’t have any skin in that game, because my Saab is a 2004. But I agree with you—-the new owner, if there is one, should step up to do whatever they can for the people who were bold enough to buy the VM era Saabs. People who bought these models are the heart and soul of the customer base for a new Saab—-doing something positive for them will really get the venture off to a good start.

Toby K
Member

Anyone know what the general quality issues are with 9-5? is it a great car that won’t cost much to warranty? or is it a big liability currently?? Whats the feeling? if it truly is agood as its made out to be then the buyer would get big brownie points for a relatively small warranty outlay-and make the recent orphaned Saab owners very happy. It would be the best advert for Saab ever.

Olav
Member

+1 – I wholeheartedly second your statement, saabfanatic! SAAB’s future MUST be GM-free, enough is enough. And, I don’t like the 9-4X that much either, I think it’s not a car fitting SAAB’s image well. This is a car just slightly more SAABish than the SAABuru 9-2X and the Freightliner 9-7X. No, SAAB; back to basic if possible – you can do it much better alone without any US influence.

I am looking forward to the future SAAB 🙂

Chris Carrier
Member

But with Turkish, Indian or Chinese influence?

RS
Member

I hope we’ll see the freedom for THN to make Saab Saabs again. The way Tata lets Jaguar make Jaguars.

saabfanatic
Member

Funny, you’re questioning this! who else? Aren’t they the only intrested parties that we know of at this time? What do you prefer – end of SAAB because there might be Chinese/Indian/Turkish influence?

Angelo V.
Member

Agreed. My only hope is that whoever buys decides to keep Saab as a worldwide brand. It doesn’t help me if they no longer sell or service in the U.S. If Brightwell only wants to sell electric Saabs in Turkey, I really don’t care whether they live or die. But if any of these suitors intends to ramp up production again and sell new Saabs in as many markets as possible, I’m on board with China, Turkey, India, Canada or Mars.

Olav
Member

Well, I really don’t care where the money comes from as long as SAAB will remain as SAABish as it’s heritage; A qurky, innovative, independent, safe and sporty Swedish carmaker designed and built by Trolls.

saabfanatic
Member

P.S. My guess is that GM is adjusting the plant to bring back the beautiful Pontiac AZtech or (whatever the name was)

http://www.auto123.com/ArtImages/91054/2001-Pontiac-Aztek-i004.jpg

GerritN
Member

Hm, yeah, I never understood why a lot of people seemed to have a problem with the Aztec. Seemed like a very acceptable alternative to a minivan.

saabdog
Member
Many of my friends have often compared my 2004 Honda Element to the Aztec as far as looks are concerned. But I would be willing to be the Aztec’s build quality is better than my Element. Mine is literally falling apart: seats rock & the upholstery is shot, it squeaks & rattles, the shocks & struts gave out at 60,000 miles, bogus warning lights are always flashing…I could go on. Also, the interior materials throughout have worn very quickly & show more age than it should. This is my last Honda…very disappointed. On the other hand I’ve never heard of… Read more »
Chris Carrier
Member

What? A Honda with quality issues? Are you SURE?

saabdog
Member

Absolutely sure. The vehicle sucks. I’ve owned several Hondas over the years, and by far, this is one of the worst vehicles I have ever owned. Won’t get another one. It’s probably a good thing that the discontinued producing them.

ivo 71
Member

There seem to be some nice new Saabs 9-4X for sale out there at huge discounts if you are looking for a replacement 😉 . Parts shouldn’t pose that big a problem given what’s under the engine cover.

Ivo

Angelo V.
Member

There were no excessive wear issues with Aztecs because owners were embarassed to drive them. Ugliest vehicle ever made. Not a good angle on it. Another great GM.

Baver
Member

Once again, I would have to agree with you, Angelo.

100%Saab
Member

The Buick version of the Aztec sold very well. GM already sells another SUV based on the 9-4X platform. Look for a Buick.

Just a thought.

Angelo V.
Member

The Buick Rendezvous was a small miracle. It wasn’t the best looking thing on the road—-but it was presentable. It’s amazing that Buick was able to take the ugliest vehicle ever designed and quickly make it somewhat pleasant. It wasn’t perfect—still a little awkward from some angles—-but much better than the Asstec.

RS
Member

This is what happens in a race to the bottom -price. Lets keep Saab high quality in the future also shall we. I don’t to sh*t (sorry) with a car that has quality issues. Other manufacturers can OWN the sub $20k segment.
I rather tow my neighbors ‘affordable’ cars than the other way around.

RS
Member

… don’t do sh…
It seems I’m getting even more dyslexic with age. Thanks Tim for letting us know virtually no one reads this site 😉

Toby K
Member

Wow that is nice!!! Half car, half tent, and I just love the corrugated plastic up the sides.

saabfanatic
Member

Because – it was bulit by GM and then it was the most ugliest thing I’ve ever seen on the road. Now, please… I really didn’t mean to start discussing crapy GM AZtech here!

GerritN
Member

Then, lately you must have been very excited to see all these Nissan Puke lookalikes on the road. Imho these boxes are the most hideous vehicles around. Kia got it exactly right when using rapping rats to promote their Soul-less appliances.

As far as discussing other means of transportation than Saab, that should be fine. Not much sense to discuss Saab and Saabs until we know whether the brand has survived somehow.

Angelo V.
Member

Actually, Kias have far more soul than most of the GM line-up. The “little boxes” that have been following the original Scion box are generally smaller cars—cheap (make that affordable) and practical for kids going away to college, beach bombs, etc. Their “homliness is attractive/cute.” In contrast, the Asstec was a big and hideous thing—-awkward from any angle you dared look at it from. When it came out, I remember riding with my friends, pointing and laughing at the half dozen or so that were sold in the Washington, DC area. GM=Government Moochers.

Toby K
Member
Have you noticed that these hideous vehicles are often driven by the brain dead too? I was nearly taken out last night by one who took an alarming amount of time to figure out that the lane he was in was for oncoming traffic, I had flashed my lights and honked my horn, And I was getting ready to reverse rapidly when he figures it out and pulled back into his lane cutting someone else up as he did so. This has happend twice now both times it was Nissans, a Micra and a Juke/Puke? (which lets face it is… Read more »
theSandySaab
Member

I believe we possibly will see a rebadged 9-4x as a Chevy or Buick SUV for the Chinese market…
Cain’s comment only states “their mexico plant has adjusted to the end of the 9-4x production”, which leaves plenty of possibilities open, including the transfer of production facilities to China, where they do need a good SUV. I guess that also could explain some of GM’s hard-headiness towards any buyer of Saab and the IP issue…
:-/

Chris Carrier
Member

I’m holding off on my FUGM stickers, but my wife is on board if GM doesn’t play ball.

ivo 71
Member

But do make sure you hold on to them. They could come in useful, one day soon.

Ivo

SpinM
Member

Though it is sad and undeserved that the production of this beautifull Saab should be no more, I actually rather have it this way than see 9-4X desecrated by GM into some tasteless monstrosity with a cross on the bumper – yuck!

xelav
Member

Haha, hansh , you said it right! Hahahaha

GerritN
Member

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/02/business/chrysler-and-ford-car-sales-improve.html?ref=automobiles

Chrysler and Ford up, GM down. Another bit of sunshine on a cloudy day.

MrTinkertrain
Member

They are making better cars. Simple. The end is near, dear beast.
Have you heard the news that Chevys may be prohibited from Egypt because their logo resembles to the Christian cross?:)

saabdog
Member

I can think of a lot better reasons to ban Chevy’s from Egypt…like, they suck.

Nate 9-3
Member

That’s ironic. The Chevy emblem is actually meant to represent a crested eagle, which is used in satanic/luciferian worship. Think of the nazi eagle – it’s a stylized version of that. Much of the world can be understood if you understand the history of the symbols.

Thylmuc
Member

The eagle has been the symbol of the Holy Roman empire since Frederick I, Holy Roman Emperor, at about 1150 iirc, and been in constant use _even_ with the Nazi pigs and afterwards in the German federal Republic. Was Frederik satanic? 😉

OliverH
Member

Oh dear. Sad to hear that GM Sales dropped 😀

Baver
Member

Yet, their stock was up 1.46% today. Ford dropped .72% and their sales grew. What’s wrong with this picture?

OliverH
Member

That’s the logic of stock exchange. Have a look on Apple. Sometimes they announced great products of big profit and share price has dropped. So why not vice versa.

Carlo A
Member

GM can stuff themselves …..

spacy
Guest

I think they did [stuff themselves] when they left Saab in a ditch beside the Road……….

Carlo A
Member

I think you are very very right …..

xelav
Member

Yes, but what about the frozen balls of mister Cain ?

spacy
Guest

A Hot Poker comes to mind

hans h
Member

🙂

Mark
Member

I couldn’t see the 9-4x being re-badged as an Opel because it would suffer the same disadvantage that Saab had with it. That being, the lack of a suitable diesel which would severely limit it’s marketing potential in Europe. It would more likely be re-branded as a Buick, then even the Chinese might buy it.

E
Member
While we’re talking about the 9-4X here, let me just say that there are Saab dealerships out there in the US that do not know that they can now order Saab parts, or how to order/obtain the clean air filter and engine oil filter that the 9-4X’s 10K service requires. With one dealership today, I got into a GM conversion over the filters discussion and they still weren’t sure they could do it. Never fear, however, as this afternoon I learned that Saab of Memphis received all the parts today that I ordered less than a week ago for my… Read more »
hughw
Member

I’m contemplating buying a 9-4X but the parts issues scares me. Obviously, a lot of the mechanicals are GM and won’t be a problem but what about Saab specific parts. When you say that you recieved parts for your 9-4X, what parts were they? Do you think you could get a body panel or tail light assembly for example?

E
Member
For my 9-4X I ordered front and back wipers. I wanted to give my dealer some business. It was not that I needed them yet … but soon I think. I also checked and he has the two filters we need to get my 10K service done. When I’m at the dealership in a couple weeks I’ll chat with them and see what they say about body panels and the like … with less than 500 of them made, I am not sure what the support structure is like for that stuff. Can it be a “just-in-time” inventory type of… Read more »
hughw
Member

I doubt a just in time system can work. GM has probably thrown away all the tooling or stuck it away. Perhaps they made a bunch of stuff for production or to stock spare parts in anticipation of sales but who knows.

Chris Carrier
Member

Why did I thnk there were about 3000 made? Wow… 500.

Chris Carrier
Member

10 per state in the U.S. Will I ever pass another one?

JasonVT
Member

I have seen only one other 9-4 on the road which is a shame. I bought the SUV because I needed it and I love this car. I love it every bit as much as my classic 900s and 9000s.

hans h
Member

I have seen one. Probably the white one from Höör, Sweden. I hope I will get to see it again. It’s a shame such a car goes to waste.

FUGM

Baver
Member
FYI, for North Americans…. From Automotive News: Saab dealers will meet, probably for last time, at NADA DETROIT — Saab dealers will meet in Las Vegas on Monday during the National Automobile Dealers Association convention for what is likely to be their last make meeting. The meeting will be held from 10:30 a.m. to 11:45 a.m. on Monday, Feb. 6, in rooms N245 and N247 of the Las Vegas Convention Center, said Tim Colbeck, president of Saab Cars North America. Saab’s parent company filed a bankruptcy petition in a Swedish court Dec. 19, and its North American arm suspended operations… Read more »
100%Saab
Member

Just don’t put on your Saab. It won’t faze GM, but might make the rest of us Saab owners look bad.

Just a thought.

100%Saab
Member

For Chris Carrier

Chris Carrier
Member

What, the FUGM stickers? Well… I wouldn’t do it until all was really lost and GM refused the new owner access to the IP. At that point, what is there to lose?

100%Saab
Member

Just don’t put it on your Saab.

74StingSaab
Member

you heard me say it here first…. GM Makes me sick. I used to try and see their POV but anymore all i see is brown from the crap they are spewing.

100%Saab
Member

I think it’s about time to put some fog lights on my 9-3.

Just a thought.

OLEH
Member
As a real SAAB fan, I should admit that 9-4x or 9-2 models never looked like SAAB to me at all. If it is gone, let it be. These models show pure GM influence. It is good that they did not produce many of them anyway. No worries here… It would be nice, if SAAB’s future owners started to create something new and unique with the SAAB soul and heritage, not just a logo. And affordable models would be a bonus and attraction to future potential SAAB customers. Regarding GM… Of course they pissed of a lot of SAAB fans… Read more »
Chris Carrier
Member

Why should you be worried? You don’t own one. I’m a REAL Saab fan too, and I bought one.

OLEH
Member

Nice car Chris, no doubt. It is already unique. No offense, but the main reason, why I do not have one, it is because I never liked SUV in general and never had enough money to buy one. Sorry.
And regarding no worries about the ending of 9-4x production, you should not be worried either, you already got one

Carl Andersson
Member
I really feel sorry for this poor GM spokesperson Jim Cain in Detroit. Several times has he been forced by the incompetent GM management to go public and talk about “The fabulous GM Spearhead Technology” that has to be kept outside the reach of Chineese and others. Most of the technology in the 9 5 and 9 4X is (Quite old today) probably developed and owned by Tier-1 suppliers as Delphi, Bosch and other “Dragons”. I mean: GM do not have the patent for neigther the WHEEL nor the INTERNALLY COMBUSTION ENGINE. You might get that impression and people outside… Read more »
David-SAAB
Member

Thats correct Carl. I think you’ll find it’s Daimler AG (Mercedes- Benz) that own majority automotive patents globally.

Angelo V.
Member

I don’t have much sympathy for him though—-true, he’s a lackey, a stooge—-but his style is his own. What a buffoon.

hughw
Member

Does anyone remember Bagdad Bob?

saaburban
Member
Saabs value decreases for everyday that goes bye, for every dealer that close down, for every Saab customer that buys another car brand, for every skilled engineer that accepts another job. The clock is ticking and as the people that is suppose to sell Saab charges big bucks by the hour, bits and pieces are sold off. If there is 5 bidders, probably 50% of them are really serious, and further 50% have a hidden agenda to just buy knowhow, and not build up Saab again. So left might only be one bidder, who might to build a new strong… Read more »
Iiari
Member
It’s definitely a concern. My neighborhood in New England has a lot of Saabs, and 5 owners in the last few months have sold and bought other brands: – 40’ish y/o Single woman previously with 2000-ish 9-3: Just bought Volvo C30 hatch – Mid 50’s male Turbo-X owner: Just bought a BMW M3 sedan – Mid 60’s 2003 9-5 wagon owner: Thought new 9-5 was too expensive, bought a Hyundai Sonata – Mid-40’s 2007-ish 9-5 owner: Went with a Hyundai Genesis – Early 50’s architect, long time Saab owner going back 20+ yrs, lease on a XWD 9-3 running out… Read more »
Angelo V.
Member
You’re certainly entitled to your opinion, but unless the administrators of this site (whose wishes I will respect) refuse to allow comments against General Motors, I plan to continue to write them as I see fit. I also intend to continue to write negative comments about General Motors incompetent Management and their inferior products on General Motors’ Facebook pages and I urge everyone else to do the same—-as well as to write some positive comments about Saab. Just because you say an anti-GM comment “grossly narrows this issue in s simple-stupid way” doesn’t make your assertion true. That’s your opinion,… Read more »
Dreadnought
Guest
“BTW: All of the GM bashing here really does the community (and Saab) no benefit and grossly narrows this issue in a simple-stupid way that’s not becoming of the reputation of Saab owners” What nonsense. When I bought my car in 2005 I was a GM customer. Myself and my family were, basically, GM loyalists. A customer, a GM loyalist, who got ripped off by GM. Got it? Since I bought my car, GM abandoned the brand. After the initial announcement that Saab would be shuttered back in 2009, I watched my resale value plummet and the only dealership in… Read more »
Iiari
Member
< You’re certainly entitled to your opinion, Yes I am, correct. < That’s your opinion, and it’s not even close to being a fact. Sorry, I disagree with that on several fronts… < Really? How much do you know about this? Do you at least know that they were owned, in part or in full, by General < Motors, from 1990 through 2009? Two decades of GM control—-so is it GM who put Saab on the road to bankruptcy I know tons about this, actually, having followed this mismatched relationship for, well, over that entire 2 decades. I think GM's… Read more »
Angelo V.
Member

Peter DeLorenzo, LOL, LMAO.
Zamier Ahmed: Maybe he’s right about one year of sloppy bookkeeping? I don’t know. What is his experience in the car industry though? I’m not putting him down—-for all I know, he’s right—-his point seemed to be that with better leadership, there is a lot of potential with Saab? I agree with him on that.

Dreadnought
Guest

Peter Delorenzo “prominent US independent auto analyst” is a retired GM employee who worked in their marketing department.

I guess Peter doesn’t mind screwing over GM customers such as myself.

Typical.

Tells you why the company has been such a raving success for the last 30 years.

And how is the justified resentment by a GM customer such as myself, “simplistic criticism”.? That is a stupid attitude.

Iiari
Member
You’re both missing my points… Again, I think your criticisms of GM are, for the most part, SPOT ON. No disagreements there. I personally, however, don’t begrudge their decision regarding tech and the Chinese, but I don’t believe that’s such a big deal myself. And, listen, I bought a Saab too in the recent past. We all went into our Saab purchases with our eyes open and knew we were putting ourselves at risk of being subjected to all the GM baggage. My main points simply are that the incessant, unending GM criticism regarding their tech decisions in the boards:… Read more »
Angelo V.
Member
That’s why I was laughing out loud—-Peter DeLorenzo, former GM lackey, was given as an example of a “business leader” who thinks GM is standing up and doing the right thing. He’s an editorialist, and not even an impartial one at that. A stooge if he really believes the dribble he wrote about GM doing the right thing. Disingenuous. I’m sure he also argued vehemently for GM to get the money heisted from taxpayers a few years ago too. Regarding your points: 1) is probably right. Speaking out against GM probably won’t help Saab—-unless respectful, informative, accurate letters are written… Read more »
xelav
Member

Anny news yet about mr. Cain ‘s frozen balls? Hans H?

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