Duel: SAAB 93b 1959 vs Mercedes SLS 2011

Today I got a tip about a movie where a ’59 93b is duelling against a 2011 Mercedes SLS…. In Norway, where I live, the price differs about 3 millions NOK and the SAAB have a slightly smaller engine, but of course these two cars can make up in a duel! My friend Torbjørn meet this local Mercedes in a petrol-station, and a small duel took place. Torgeir, who filmed this sums it great  up in the description of the movie; “A showdown between two opposites, the flashy 2011 Mercedes Benz SLS and the cheeky 1959 SAAB 93. You be the judge, which wins this duel?

edit: It’s of course a 93b, not a 93f!

3cyl
Member

This duel was a great idea.

hans h
Member

Great.
I feel I must fix my 1958 93b and find another SLS to challenge. 😀

GrumpyGriffin
Member

A clash of the Titans, extravagant Gull Winged Bad Taste verses Understated Elegance with Suicide Doors!

Magnus Olert
Member

That can’t be a 93F since the F version has the doors hinged in the forward end.

Trollblazer
Member

I wish there was some real Saab news here….

Angelo V.
Member
They do their best Trollblazer, but because the “new” owner of Saab (not so new anymore in fact) is this obstinate, there’s no news to report. Look at the way comments on the site have dropped off. That’s representative of interest dropping off too. Of course, SU can run an entry about what name to give the new model or what new colors we’d want to see—-something like that—–and get a 100 comments in a day—-but to what end? NEVS is apparently disinterested in what potential buyers think. Most of us love Saab’s past and/or the Saabs we are driving… Read more »
Trollblazer
Member

Yeah, I guess you’re right. It’s all kinda sad though…

Angelo V.
Member

Sadness turns to anger when something important to us is this bungled for this long. Of course, the only thing worse than anger is “who cares, we’ve moved on to another make.” and that’s what’s next if these people at NEVS don’t get their act together.

ahlis
Member

I Think that as mentioned, a big concerne is that there have been no news from nevs the past 2 weeks. I Think it is good that they don´t say anything they are uncertain of, this is a good thing in todays hopeless quarter report society. Still at least a “Everything is well and going as planned” would be nice

Angelo V.
Member

I guess they’ve been uncertain about everything the past year and a half.

Trollblazer
Member

I agree. I have a bad feeling about this; maybe the whole thing will be called off.
No doubt there’s a whole lot going on that nobody is telling us about. It shows quite some disrespect towards the loyal Saab fans. IF they ever Do start production again, how can NEVS ever expect us to handover our hard-earned cash after having treated us so badly? Most likely they don’t see us as their target customers, that much is quite clear by now…
🙁

Angelo V.
Member
Well, your last sentence is depressing. If this is truly the case—-that they aren’t worried about how we feel because we aren’t in their future plans—-they don’t consider us potential future Saab customers—if that’s true—-it’s pointless to even follow this saga, except for the entertainment value of how poorly they’re handling novice business start-up tasks. It would also reinforce the assertion that the government appointed bankruptcy receivers made a really poor, lousy decision—-and one would have to wonder if they’re really that incompetent or if they were gently “guided” on what to do—-or if money changed hands. Allegations without proof?… Read more »
GrumpyGriffin
Member

Excuse me guys but how did this light hearted comparison between the design purity of a 40 plus year old Saab and the over the top ostentation of a Mercedes aimed at the shyster lawyer and aspirational drug dealer market become another session of NEVS related navel examination and conjecture!

Angelo V.
Member

It should be a rubber gloved strip search to finally get some information from them. Who are they sourcing those engines from again? The only shyster-like activity related to this is the idea of EVs saving the planet.

GrumpyGriffin
Member

Look at this way Angelo, when that information is out in, you can have endless hours of fun criticising what ever engine has been chosen and how much better it would have been if they had chosen some other manufacturers power unit, NEV’s have been holding back on that announcement purely to frustrate your desire to know and comment, commercial secrecy and contractual obligations probably have nothing to do with it.

Angelo V.
Member
Actually, I’ve been one of the few here who has said I am very confident NEVS will source good engines—-that no matter who manufacturers them, including if they’re done in China, it wouldn’t stop me from buying a Saab. I said NEVS engineering will get it right and that we shouldn’t get hung up on where the engines are coming from. So I doubt there will be criticism from me about the engines themselves. As far as contractual obligations—-Tim says we’re weeks away from a “significant” Saab coming out of that factory. Since test cars have already been done, I’m… Read more »
3cyl
Member

Developing a safe suicide door design (probably the rear doors) for the upcoming redone 9-3 would get NEVS a lot of attention. Rolls Royce did it (but they refer to them as “coach” doors – ugh) so it should be within Swedish engineering capabilities.

Angelo V.
Member

It would be attention getting for a while—-but I think, too much of a novelty unless there was a real engineering reason. Saab has always stood for function over form (for me at least) without wasted movements—-and I think unless that door design enhanced safety or performance in some way, it would be a short term gain but a long term loss.

3cyl
Member

Ease of ingress/egress is hallmark of the suicide door, so it does have some merit as far as function goes…. And as we have seen from this video, it would give a new 9-3 footing for competing with the SLS.

Angelo V.
Member

You make a very good point. On several occasions, I’ve not been able to fit a large item into my cars because of the door frames. Most of that is remedied by having a Sedona minivan—-but it would be nice to have the versatility to accept oversized objects in a car as well. What about the safety factor though? Would the roof collapse easier in a rollover without the “B” pillars?

3cyl
Member

The B pillar doesn’t have to be eliminated. The advantage is that you can enter and step out of the seat easily as there is no door to avoid. The important thing is that the door have effective latch sytem.

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