What do we know so far?? (Update from China)

Chinese car news outlet (aoto.sohu.com) keeps repeating (different post from different authors) that the NEVS 9-3 will have a E-REV version with a range of 1200 km. This would not be available from the beginning but later on.

First, I’m quite sceptic if rumours come from only one site and second I can only tell what that Google translator tells me, so maybe got it wrong this time.

Anyhow, such a power-train option coupled with a good looking, in the best Saab tradition of form follows function, shell would make the car attractive to many people, maybe even to Angelo. 😉

It has been a long time ago since we last started discussing about cars that had to be build at Stallbacka. At that Time those cars were branded as SAAB but this time we are talking about the first NEVS car.

First of all I want to emphasise that all this is only the information that I’ve been able to collect from the internet and that none of those is in any way confirmed by NEVS.

NEVS Front Grille
NEVS Front Grille

NEVS clarified two weeks ago under which brand the cars they will sell in the future will have. I’ve said it then and I want to emphasise it now, this was an incredible possibility for them to present their first electric car, what we now know as the NEVS 9-3. But they decided to not to show anything, but instead of that they invited press and the community and so some information about the new car has been filtrated to the net.

The main source of information is the picture of a countdown-clock shown in an article by the local newspaper ttela.se. Underneath that countdown-clock you can see the a car, that any of us would recognise as a SAAB/NEVS 9-3. But after a second look at the picture you notice some changes, even to the SAAB 9-3 MY 14 that NEVS produced in very small numbers with a petrol engine.

The most noticeable changes are door handles in the style of the 9-5 II and a two tone side mirror with integrated signal lights and a slightly different shape, which feel quite familiar compared with the side mirrors of the prototypes of the SAAB 9-3 III by Jason Castriota.

But besides that there is also a different shark fin antenna, more BMW style, new designed double 5-spoke wheels and different side skirts. The side skirts seem to be higher than the normal ones in order to hide the higher ride height. Looking at the wheel arch, it feels like the distance between the Wheel arch and the tyre is bigger than on a normal 9-3.

The whole front part of the car is hided, on purpose as it is done with what looks like a piece of paper. So it is to expect that the car will have the major differences at the front.

Regarding the interior it is only known, that the old GM-Radio is a now more and will be replaced by a touchscreen system named IQon that is expected to be based on parrot Hardware, but this is 2014 information so maybe not anymore up-to-date. After filtering the picture from ttela.se you can somehow see the form of the headrest on that car, and those are not the former 9-3 headrests nor the XC90 I headrests of the front-seats of the MY’14. They look a little bit like the ones from the 9-5 II. NEVS has published a picture on Instagram about the visit of the Saab-comunity at Stallbacka. On that picture on the lower left side you can see two seats that look very much like the 9-5 II Aero seats, but maybe not exactly the same. The one with the stitchery really looks nice. The chairman of the Svenska Saabklubben was at that visit, and he has confirmed that those were prototypes, not the final ones.

Regarding the technical data, either NEVS is talking more about that car in China or the Chinese sites have a lot of phantasy. According to auto.sohu.com the car has the same length as the MY 14 (4668 mm) will be 20 mm higher (ride hight) and have the same wheelbase. The top speed will be 140 kph and the range will be 301 km. The weight is said to be 1800 kg. So how does this car compare to something like the new Leaf with the 30 kWh Battery? Well, the Leaf is about 200 kg lighter but the range is 50 km shorter and has about the same to speed (144 kph). Compared to the Tesla S 60, the NEVS is 160 kg lighter but has also 100 km more range. Looking at the numbers it is just as good as the competitors, but on the other side we don’t have much information about what standards have been used to measure the range (EPA, NEDC, other) nor the weight, so we will have to wait till the official numbers appear to make a final judgement.

I wanted to thank StefanH STHLM to point me at it. It is just fun to be able to write about cars once again at SAABSUNITED.

88 thoughts on “What do we know so far?? (Update from China)”

  1. A couple of months ago – on this site – there was a description – in Chinese, but with diagrams – of current owners of NEVS, which indicated that NEVS is now, to 52%, owned by two state agencies.

    In other words – NEVS is now owned by China.

    That conforms with the INFO that first three years of production is a sold out- probably to Chinese state officials – who can’t pick and choose.

    This is very good news for Kai Johan – and halfway good news for Trollhättan, since only bodies will be produced in THN during coming three years.

    Engineering center in THN is utilised to about 50% – new engineering center to be completed in China within three years. Trollhättan?

  2. Happy for NEVS news to be published here, and this is article helpfully brings some scattered news together.

    Just can’t help feeling they should reverse their initials! SVEN sounds much nicer than NEVS!

  3. The 140 km/h top speed is an interesting decision. Lower top speed means better efficiency on lower speeds when you don’t have a gearbox, and adding higher top speed cost dearly, either in price/complexity or range.

    But I wonder what customers will think, when the I3 has a 150 km/h top speed. Customer reaction will be interesting, are the willing to accept a lower top speed (even if that is above the speed limit almost everywhere) this for other advantages?

    • Personally I would prefer to have a car that makes 0-140 for 5 seconds than a car that goes beyond 140, it is very rare occasion to go beyond 140 km/h anyway.

      • Call me boring, but 140km/h and 0-100 km/h in 10s is plenty for me. However 1000km on a single charge *would* get me interested, as I could do /most/ of my journeys on that.

  4. Tjalle . Who said that tht makes 50000 bodies a year during a three year period?

    • Nobody, but they have to deliver 150.000 cars in the next 3 years, and the factory in Tianjin will take another three years till it is is fully functional. So either they don’t deliver those cars or they build them in THN.

  5. It’s very hard to speculate about how this car would compare to a Leaf or Tesla if it’s ever built. Those cars are on the road now, for sale and presumably, Tesla and Nissan will consistently improve upon them as they stay in production. NEVS doesn’t have anything produced or for sale yet. By the time they do, we don’t know what Tesla and Nissan will have done with their cars—-in other words, they are a moving target if we are trying to compare NEVS to them. Development will have a lot to do with China, since they are basically state owned at this point.

  6. To Mailr I3 is a german car. Their average high way speed is the highest in europe. The 2cm higher ride height what ever that means should be related to the latest version. Suspension play a role . As in campers battery cars need space underneath for their furniture. This means critical angles front and rear and in the center compared to wheel base and load behavior. Because of heavy weight of the battery sets similar to your E bike you have a critical driving behavior. The future is in a fuel cell car as big as shoebox underneath one of your front seats where before a nav dvd box was located. A small N2 tank and the rest is similar. Battery cars is just a switch over never buy it just lease.

  7. Red j very sensible thinking. It might be the case that they built them fully assembled in tht? Either way it makes no sence to ship these volumes to a distant market. A couple of them yes but not a three years production. Its not a apple i phone. And who are the car seat makers? Sorry to say but the more i read this will be the local laughing stock.

  8. Red J right they will be there in that period or earlier depending on politics. Follow them its going fast.

  9. If NEVS is owned by China AND customers are state officials OR short term leasers, competitive performance is not essential.

    China will get help to reduce pollution and Kai Johan will earn money.

    The risk, however, is that the Brand is down the drain, so when next generation comes out in three years, nor rich Chinese or westerners will buy the cars – even if they are competitive. State officials will still be customers.

    Where will second generation NEVS be built? – In new complete factory in China or THN? Will THN be utilised if volumes are mediocre?

    • Tjalle, you have good arguments, and NEVS has still to proof a lot, but what they are telling is that second gen cars build in Tianjin will be for the Chinese market and cars build in THN will be for the EU and US market.
      What will happen with THN if they don’t manage to sell 200.000 cars in China per year (production capacity of Tianjin) with 4 different models?
      Nobody can tell how the future will be, but currently it looks like THN having a bit more to do than in the last few years.

      • RedJ: it’s interesting to me that though, as you say, NEVS have to prove themselves, they seem to have attracted a reasonable number of good people (not exclusively ex-Saab) to come and work for them. We criticize NEVS, but these people must know more of the story than we do if they are happy to work for them.

          • Is the economy there thriving to the point where people would not accept a job offer? A few years ago, I read what a blow it was that Saab was closing—-because jobs were not easy to come by in that area. I would assume if NEVS has some investment gravy and wants to attract more by hiring, people who need jobs will accept the offer gladly without vetting NEVS. If they’re collecting a paycheck and the employment climate isn’t healthy, why NOT work for NEVS, regardless of how strong or weak they might be?

            • Angelo, I can’t say for sure, but you have in the region VOLVO and CEVT, and then you also have all those companies that were created in 2011 from the engineers at SAABAutomobile you also have companies like Semcon and Combitech (engineering consultancies) that went fishing in Trollhättan in 2011, and I also heard from Engineers decided to go to Norway to the oil fields to get a job. So all in all I assume that most of the old SAAB Automobile engineers managed to get a new Job.
              So NEVS has a tough job to do to get this we engineers back on board, and btw one of the articles Tjalle was talking about was about an engineer that worked in Trollhättan went to Norway to find a job and although he got one there, he decided that it was worth trying to get back home and get a job at NEVS.
              On the other side the blue collar workers are the ones that had more
              Problems to get a new job after the closing of the factory.

              But at the end of the day I’m only an outsider that only knows what happens there from the press, and if the press lies I can’t tell.

      • Red J, I fully agree that halfway utilised manufacturing and engineering is better than nothing, and we can see three years of that.

        Kai Johan is a shrewd businessman and managed to sell half his company to the Chinese, but that is not the same as that he and his non-automotive directors will support development of competitive vehicles, even if there also are a couple of former SAAB engineers working.

        “Everybody” is heading for China with best possible technology. I am afraid NEVS will have to use “Kai Johan bus batteries”, also for 2:d generation.

        A shutdown in three to four years would be another blow to THN.

        Sorry for being critical, but that is my feeling from what NEVS has done or not done during the past years. For the sake of THN, I hope I am wrong.

  10. Wheel arches play a dominant role in a vehicle and take large unwanted space normally fully covered with mud and unsufficient liners and attachment srews. The axle load and tyre havet to move freely in this space limited by the axle bump whatever this means. This space and axle track determinates the size of the tyre. Point of gravity as low as possible. Therefore nevs 93 bev has a larger wheelarch.

  11. NEVS has, for some reason, difficulties to recruite engineers.

    It is on the news today – both locally and main radio “Dagens Eko”, that NEVS is recruiting engineers from the oilfields in Norway.

    It sets the stage for interesting vehicles: electrical vehicles designed by oilfield engineers :o)

    Apart from that, because of Norway struck oil and Sweden did not, there are a lot of stories about Norwegians not being overly bright.

  12. Tjalle, come on, let’s not devolve into shooting barbs at other Scandinavians. People who live in Sweden may feel there is a big difference between it and Norway, but the rest of the world sees it all as pretty much the same thing. We have to think globally, because that is the reality. No offense, but as a market, all of Scandinavia (Norway, Finland, Sweden, Denmark) is a rounding error compared to the emerging markets in China and elsewhere. Globalization is a fact of life and here to stay, regardless of the Brexit nonsense. I hope NEVS succeeds in bringing a decent vehicle to market, but since it is not going to be a Saab, and their clear target is serving the Chinese market, I think that something that will have a material presence in the European market that we will care about, is a stretch, and it making it to the US is more of a stretch. And, frankly, who cares about something built on the old 9-3 platform anyway. Maybe something using the Phoenix platform might be interesting, but keeping track of what they have or might have and will use in the near or distant future is confusing and annoying.

    • Paul, Norwegian stories were a sideline – I admitted they are because of Norway struck oil.

      My message about NEVS having difficulties in recruiting engineers were a response to input from Romac and Red J, who claimed that the fact that NEVS were able to recruit engineers – so far about 300 – was proof of confidence in NEVS. I don’t think so.

      There are about 500 qualified engineers in THN, working for consultants and Flygmotor and there are about 3000 in Göteborg (50 miles away) working for Volvo – cars and trucks- and also consultants and suppliers.

      These 3500 engineers have – so far -not answered to invites from NEVS. Hence NEVS are recruiting from the Norwegian oilfields, who are, temporarily, in semi-deep —-.

      Phoenix is out – too old – but for some general thinking.

    • I wonder if the folks in France who had family members mowed down would agree with you that Brexit is “nonsense” or if they wish they had moved in that direction years ago. Back on topic, I am familiar with the Chinese market and the vast majority of buyers there aren’t interested in another Chinese start-up. They like their Buicks, European marques——maybe some of the home-grown makes too, but the last thing they’re probably interested in is a poor imitation of Tesla when they could just buy a Tesla instead. Let’s be real here: If the idea is a clean break from Saab and development of electrics, NEVS is worlds behind Tesla and others. Maybe they should have considered hybrid and ICE development, begging for the Saab name and some prestige to sell in China instead of vaporware.

      • Just to be fair, the deranged fool who mowed down those poor folks in Nice had been in France for 10 years and was from Tunisia, a former French colony. So, this didn’t really have anything to do with the recent issues of immigration vis-a-vis EU policies.

        The point I was trying to make was that globalization is pretty much a fact of life, and the Brexit action was largely driven by an anti-globalization sentiment. I understand the sentiment to some extent, but one has to look at the auto industry in the global view, as that is the new reality, and that includes for NEVS and the Chinese. That makes it hard to let go of the idea that a small automaker could continue to serve a tiny market share from a small country with oddball products, but that is the reality. And we are seeing it play out all over the place. I am not saying I totally like it–it is just inevitable (well, minus tariffs and quotas and the like)

  13. I posted a comment a few weeks ago about a news segment I had seen that discussed the Chinese car market. China is earnestly trying to further develop and expand its OWN manufacturing capabilities, with an emphasis on alternative energy platforms. Already, the Chinese market exceeds both the US and EU car markets, and is growing rapidly. What is my point? That we need to see NEVS from a Chinese-centric perspective and understand that anything that might ever make it to Europe or North America would only be a by-product of what NEVS is doing for the Chinese market, likely in that market. They are not interested in reviving Saab or something like Saab to serve a tiny market slice. I think that is pretty clear. They acquired technology and engineering talent and production capacity as a stop-gap measure till they could get their own show on the road.

    Unless someone like Volvo decides to use the Saab brand, which they probably will not, then Saab is well and truly dead, and those of us with old Saabs will struggle to keep them on the road. I recently had the fairly common ignition-cylinder failure issue on my old classic 900 and even the former Saab dealer that had been around since the 1970s could not get the part for a month! In fact, the lady who handles the parts is the wife of the owner and told me she warns those looking to buy an old 900 to get two, one to drive and the other for parts.

    Anyone who has purchased a Saab for any real $$ over the past 5 years in the US has seen catastrophic depreciation, and I mean catastrophic. Only convertibles hold any value and even then not much. The Saab faithful are moving from a group of enthusiasts who use their Saabs as daily drivers like normal people to a group of enthusiasts who either go to great lengths that others would consider utterly unreasonable in order to keep driving their Saabs (me), or just use their Saabs as “nice day” or collector cars. That is fine, but will be an ever-shrinking group. I hate to be negative, but I think this is the new reality.

    • It’s indeed the new reality. I have my 2004 9-5 and I drove the car all over the place today. Such a beautiful, well engineered car. So comfortable—-the best balance of space, driving satisfaction and fuel efficiency I’ve ever had in a car, and I’ve had a lot of cars. It’s low mileage and no issues to report. But reality is that the first major expense will likely spell the end of me owning the car. It just wouldn’t make sense to put a pile of money into a major repair, with the possibility of more to come, fewer parts available, no resale value, etc. I’m hoping I can keep it on the road, maybe with some minor repairs from time to time. I have other cars, so it’s not like I count on it for a daily driver. I do worry about taking it on long trips though—-since there’s no Saab dealer network left. If I venture too far away into rural areas, God only knows if I’d find someone to work on the car if I had a problem crop up. These are the realities of owning a Saab today.

      • It wasn’t so long ago that many SAAB fans thought it made great sense for an investor to spend huge sums to keep the SAAB production lines going despite a long history of financial losses for the brand, so we shouldn’t balk at spending some of our own money to keep these cars going just because it may not make be practical or make the most financial sense.

        • In fairness though, I think we were saying that if the brand is handled the right way and marketed properly, it could be profitable—I never suggested that Vic Muller or anyone should absorb years of losses just to satisfy my desire to own a Saab. The point was that previous owners hadn’t run things in a way that made sense. At least speaking for myself, I suggested ways that I felt the brand should be reborn and reach a whole new market, younger, for more growth, more volume. So it’s not really fair to say we should suffer financial losses ourselves to drive an old car with no dealer support just because we had grand ideas for how someone could make money selling the brand.

        • Of course, that’s why I replaced our beloved 2001 9-5 by a high milleage 2007 E320 Bluetec. Even if I miss a few SAAB caracteristics, I have to admit the Merc is a far superior product. My biggest complain, and it was a shock to me, is that I don’t have foldable rear seats. Oh, they exist, as an option! Now, that you would never encounter in a SAAB!

  14. Bruce and Angelo have me pegged pretty well. I can`t seem to find anyone who will take my 97- automatic Red Aero 9000 with 211,000 miles, for small money. I paid $12,900 USD for an 07- 95 immaculate wagon with 19K miles early this year. Beat out 20 callers, probably all Saab nuts willing to over pay as well. I can still get parts in Florida, and am not to proud to go pick wrecks for decent parts. Totally agree that I am on my last Saab, but I tend to keep my cars for years. The Aero 19 years, my white 93-9000 CSE was 20 years.
    They say no matter which way you buy or lease a car, it cost about $500 USD per month with depreciation,tires and gas.
    All any of us can do is drive and enjoy our Saabs. I have two local neighbors, who bought new cars as both their vehicles needed $3000 dollars of repairs. This seems to be the magic number to get people to move up.
    I suggest that Saab owners purchase the items that usually go bad, and stock pile them. You could always barter with another owner if you don`t need the part in the long run. Keep Saabing, it`s too early to give up.

  15. Tjalle Yes the DI cassette is like that old American Express ad
    “Never leave home without it” I have gone through 3 x plastic coolant tanks on my 9000 recently. They all split under pressure where the top half is press fitted to the lower half.
    Anyone out there who can suggest why the wipers on the 9000 don`t work?
    All the fuses seem fine. Tough to drive in a Florida thunder storm.
    Splines on the wiper arms are tight.
    “SAABSUNITED” is there a way we can use this forum to trade parts with each other?
    We have a collective audience where some appear to have needs for parts.
    What say we set up a central exchange.

    • Len somewhere in china is a factory cranking out DI cassettes and dash clusters for the 95 baic up to my year nobody knows. Maybe they work on your car.

  16. Len, I suggest you hook up 12V to the wipers. Remove the upper firewall – 4 screws, and you get access to cable.

    If nogo – change drive unit. Easy to get in Sweden from second hand dealer – probably more difficult in the US.

  17. I’ll guess the front of the car just looks like the front from the castriota-designed 9-3, the NG9-5 or the Phoenix concept. However – I’m as excited with NEVS as I were when they used the SAAB brand (in a positive way). Exciting times 🙂 But I would love to see them put the Phoenix concept car at the Saab Car Museum (next to the Aero X) – I’ll missed it at my latest visit to the museum.

    • Monique, the final countdown is over. No need to repeat it again and again. SAAB branded cars are part of the past. You can accept it and look into the future ignoring or not what is currently happening in Trollhättan.

      • Afaik, there are some rights problems with the Phoenix as it was created by Jason Castriota and Saab never paid for that. But I could be wrong.
        And I have no clue where the car currently is located.

        • Based on the latest news from NEVS (at nevs.com/en/news), with the header-image above the item ”Ambassadors in Trollhättan for a sneak-peak of NEVS future”, it looks like the Phoenix concept car is located in the plant (based on the interior in the image). But it could as well be from inside another car that we haven’t seen before. I don’t know.

          • I must have overseen that picture, as it is indeed the Phoenix prototype. Don’t know what they want to do with it, but maybe the guy sitting in the car, if he reads SU, may know it.

  18. The front of a car is a plastic design grille just one millimetre thick .Most of chrome part of theGM 95 you can wash away with hp water. The 95 is out and need to be scrapped .Followed by the 95 VM.Too much money. Saab is over and out.Even the classics will never reach their status they deserve. Called reality. I wish that NEVS is as succesfull asGEELY and TATA to bring jobs in our region and all local economics. And put bread on the table.

  19. Red J right. Saab brand talking should be closed. But THT plant deserves a reborn. About the Phoenix we have to check about whats on blue paper. Suspension was top. Nevs should open this topic. Although i know most of the clues.

  20. New web site owners with the same old crap. Millions of words and opinions but not one freaking new car. How much longer will this false game continue? For my Swedish friends: Ny webbplatsägare med samma gamla skit. Miljontals ord och åsikter men inte en freaking ny bil. Hur mycket längre kommer detta con spel?falska spel?

    • Your opinion is appreciated, though I don’t share it. There are no actual new cars from NEVS yet, but I like these “rumour posts” from Red J. These kind of things are fun to speculate on. Though I’m sure we’ll get some more actual info from NEVS here in the future.

      And please don’t use Google translate for Swedish. Everyone in Sweden knows English and your translation was really only confusing. 🙂

      • Sorry about the Google Translate. I now remember visiting Sweden and the English fluency. I very much like your comments and am with you. Thank you.

        • “stay driven,open minded,self-critical and mostly realistic” And dont act like a school teacher. SK is a saab site for the present owners. Saabs united is now a fellows united site talking to each other as former saab owners.

        • My comment was not intended to be negative and I’m sorry if you feel offended by it. My intention was only to let the original poster know that he doesn’t have to translate his comments to Swedish using Google.

          English has been a mandatory subject in Swedish schools since the early 50’s. Swedes are considered (and tested) as one of the best in the world when it comes to English knowledge (as a foreign language).

          But sure, not everyone in Sweden knows English. And not everyone in Sweden knows Swedish either. In the end, SaabsUnited is an English spoken/written website, so let’s stick to English here. 🙂

          • I was not aware that english was mandatory so early in in your schools. I was aware of about five percent swedish speaking in finland and some sami. I am from belgium where we have three national ones , dutch,french, and german. The north part learned all three, but not the south part. That’s why we have a complicated political structure. Any way if you step out of a car.plane,train in a foreign language country and you can not communicate you are lost in the desert.

  21. “But they decided to not to show anything, but instead of that they invited press and the community and so some information about the new car has been filtrated to the net.” Proof positive that they have nothing to show.

    • I subscribe to that, and I think this was the first think that I said when they presented their new brand. At that day, a prototype or something whit the NEVS Logo should have been shown to the press.
      But I don’t think that they still will not have nothing to show in the next months.

      • That remains to be seen. They’ve been at this over four years now. They should be beyond baby steps, yet I don’t even see baby steps. Their futility at simple public relations and outreach is stunning to me. It begs the question of the competence of their entire organization if they can’t get simple things right.

      • I just pop in this site. Nevs decide to make bev cars right from the start. Ignoring hybrid versions which is the normal pad to get from ice cars to some form of electrification. Even ice cars will get 48v battery-accu generators and brake load recovery. Even petrol cars get particle fillters. Even f-cell plug-in will come.Also wireless loading W/o cable by smartphone.In 2017 Third gen fuel cell tanking in three minutes. Bev cars are built on their own platform not a derived one.That being said its maybe the reason why it takes nevs so long to get their 93 platform ready. No other brand talks about a 1200 km yet . That will take much longer seeing the safety issues at tesla. However their shares raised 700 percent from the start. Sad that monique is no longer their.

        • Read some impressive news about daimler during their recent tec days : Road to the future- Intelligent drive train solutions. Maybe Nevs is also prepared and THT can still be part of it. They passed bmw on sales figures. At present only one out of 100 buyers goes electric. Present power trains will be their for decennia and their foot prints.However they will going to be like a hybrid but still being ice cars. Focus on price and 4000 euro sub to move to the other 99. All cars have modular sub systems to cut cost with fifty percent. Average price 60000euro. Not the Porches. Great future for fuel cell cars even as plug in. Next year already. Same for GM in the us Full support for infra and electric buffering. Invest ment for the next two years 14 billion(us) milliard(uk) euro. In case Nevs can not make our dream came true of a car whit saab genes, i suggest we all buy the nice Gm Caddillac CT6.

            • Appreciated. That thumps up or down is an invention from jonathan. From facebook which he does not like. He will miss a lot in daily live and still can block spam. However he his very alert and deserves all respect. Ice cars as the diesel are not dead, all was pumped up the jam. We are now heading for self driving cars with driving assist in the meantime for which you have to to take some seminars. And end up that you can get your driving licence blindfolded. And driving your car in holiday playing Scrabble with your friends. Nice regards from monique,.

                • So it seems. A newly registered account, using the same kind of language and “intense” commenting technique as Monique, with several references to her by name. Oh, and apparently they both have the exact same IP address.

  22. Seems as though Sergio/FIAT are phasing Dodge/Chrysler out. They are completely focused on Jeep and SUVs along with FIAT—–Dodge and Chrysler passenger cars are on the way out. He’s looking for a merger or acquisition—-and I think shedding Dodge and possibly Chrysler is important to making the company leaner and more profitable. The question becomes, will he just kill these divisions off, or will he try to package them or sell one or both? My point is that a real car maker in China—-a big, successful Chinese manufacturer actually making and selling cars, with intentions to expand globally (not NEVS people, not NEVS) might be interested in getting an American brand and instand dealership network and might be willing to pay decent money to FIAT to grab Dodge for example. Thoughts?

    • Dropping both Dodge and Chrysler would leave FCA without any viable non-truck product in the US unless Fiat and Alfa suddenly vastly broaden their appeal (very unlikely). You may be correct about Dodge though. The new FCA minivan is only being released as a Chrysler even though the previous model had somewhat higher sales in Dodge form vs. the Chrysler version. Also, FCA has some Dodge products they would probably want to keep such as the Challenger which doesn’t really lend itself to being marketed as Fiat whereas a Chrysler badge could work. The reality is though that a leading consumer magazine rates too many FCA products as either deficient in execution, reliability or both. If that were not the case it would be more likely that sales volume would be sufficient to support the existing brands. Even Jeep vehicles aren’t very good, but that brand has great appeal and they sell regardless – imagine what Jeep sales would be if their products were better.

      • What i know about FCA in europe and FPT , fiat powertrain that they are successful with their vans in the us the promaster. Not the alfas. FCA Us keeps things going as said by sergio. He will retire soon. Monique was a fiat fan and me too. However you can not compare FCA with NEVS. But the to expend your car market is a challenge only good people can manage.

            • I don’t know if you’re correct on that, Angelo. If you click his profile it says registered 5 days, 9 hours. Happens to be registered within a day or two of when Monique was banned, also saying things like, “Monique says hello”. I’m about 90% certain it’s just a fake account Monique is using to SPAM again.

              But seriously, as much as I’d like to not be rude, is there a way to make a personal filter so I can block myself from seeing these comments? I didn’t want to see Monique’s spam, and now it’s been replaced with Hans.

                • Completely possible, but I don’t believe it was this particular “Hans”. My guess is the name Hans is like the name Bob or Bill, pretty common. “I am from Belgium” as well as “I just pop in this site.” combined with the account being made a day after Monique was banned would seem to indicate our friend Hans here may actually be Monique. Unfortunately for “Hans” he hasn’t learned much from Monique’s chronic spamming of Saabs United.

                  Like I said previously, and I know it’s not very polite of me; I love hearing what people have to say here, but the thought of seeing 5 replies in unintelligible paragraphs in response to on subject comments really makes me shy from the comments section.

                    • I’m not quite sure why the moderators banned Monique, Sure, she could be off-topic (often). Sure, her posts were pretty convoluted and sometimes almost intelligible English (maybe as a result of Google translate). Sure, she could post incessantly. Sure, she sometimes strongly disagreed with others. But I think she did bring a knowledge and perspective and something different to the site that could be engaging and interesting. I never found that she was nasty or crossed the line. Personally, I think the moderators should rethink their ban and bring her back. It’s good to have a different voice at times. Take Angelo….he can be brutal with NEVS…in my opinion, be brings his conservative political views into the conversation too much (hopefully, he doesn’t go so far as voting for Trump. haha)….but he’s a really important antidote to some of the fan boys for NEVS on the site (remember Tim?).

  23. 1200 km e-range for extended-range version is nothing special (engine starts to work to generate electricity which just depends on the size of the oil tank ) and it is indeed from NEVS newsclips that sent to reporters at NEVS brand release.

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