Saab 9-5 can have better real life mileage *UPDATE*

Was it really a petrol powered 9-5 in the UK MPG Marathon?? Their own site says this “and the test model’s twin-turbo 190 hp version, which also comes in all-wheel-drive” Did they compete in Class 4 for diesel cars with CO2 emissions over 121 g/km?
In June Saab Spain showed in the ALD Ecomotion Tour that the Saab 9-5 TiD can have 17% better mileage values than the European test cycle (NEDC).

This time ALD and Shell have organized a similar event in the UK the 2011 MPG Marathon. Saab entered the UK event with a 9-5 Saloon Turbo4 Aero, which has already quite decent mileage values for its size.

The Saab 9-5 was driven by motoring journalist Iain Robertson accompanied by navigator, Robert Marshall, returning 43.81mpg, a 27.35% increase over the official combined fuel consumption figure of 34.4mpg and a place on the podium.

You can read a rather long press release from Saab UK after the jump

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9-5 < 120 g/km? Yes we can.

Further infos for the 9-5 MY ’12 are beginning to surface. And what the guys in Trollhättan do is incredible.

The people from Ynnor AB have tested today the new 9-5 SpotrsCombi.

First the SC, the rear seats will have 10 -15mm more headroom. They have compared it against the V70, A6 and 5-series, and it seems to perform at least as good.

The interior materials (no photo)have been upgraded for both SC and Sedan.

And now the (new) engines. There will be a 136 hp diesel added to the current 160hp and 190 hp diesel engines. The two smaller diesel will stay below 120g/km (maybe the Sedan only, maybe both).

And now the concluding words from the article.

The world premiere is located at the Geneva Motor Show. Then open the order books and after the summer may be the first customers of their cars.
After some tortuous km outside Trollhättan, one can conclude that the new 9-5 SportCombi has every chance to take back market share in the segment.
It is on par with or better than several of the class’ top sellers on several points. It is a distinctive car with a host of premium features. Merchants guarantee the residual value at lease customers. It will be hot game among families with children in the secondary market, if not already the new vehicle.

Is the world getting CO₂ crazy??

All of a sudden the car industry is able to deliver cars that are fun to drive and have an incredible low CO2 emission. Who is behind this incredible improvement, the engineering department or the marketing department?

I can’t speak for every new ultra-low emissions sports car being build in the future, but at least one. I don’t know how Mr. Wüst came to this information (German original article), but If I were one of the committees that decide how the consumption of a car has to be measured, I would try to change the current standard as fast as I could to reflect the real consumption of hybrid cars.

Mr. Wüst in his article talks about the Porsche 918 Spyder. This car will have a 500hp V8 engine + 218hp from the e-motor, a high speed of 325 kph and a 0-100 value of 3,2 s but only emit 70g of CO2 in the european mixed cycle.

Is that possible? Yes it is, because Porsche (and anybody else) is allowed to run the test only on battery power, the car can run for 25 km on battery power. Afterwards the consumed current is transformed inequivalent petrol consumption.

And what is the relation to Saab, you may ask? Well there is no direct link, as there isn’t much information leaked about the next 9-3, but it made me think about the latest Volvo announcement, and the fact, that rumors say that Saab is targeting similar Specs as the Volvo made me think about it.

Volvo is presenting its new V60 hybrid at Geneva. The car combines the current D5 engine (Diesel; 205hp;420Nm) with an electrified rear axle with 70electric hp, getting the current 142g/km to an almost impossible 50 g/km. This car will hit the showrooms in 2012.

Is Volvo using the same trick as Porsche, to be frankly I think yes, they do, the car can run twice as long as the Porsche on battery power. Will Saab have to use the same trick to get the planned 9-3 hybrid (with a similar configuration to the V60). Yes, I also think they will have to.

My point is, that Saab may present the <120g 9-3 SC at Geneva, but this big achievement from the Saab engineers will be seen like a joke one year later when Volvo gets the V60 hybrid on the road.At least the supremacy from Volvo won't last too long (I hope), and the Germans (the A4 for instance), won't be able to show something similar till 2013/14.

Monday Night Snippets

Want to help one of our regulars here at SU?

Phil Lacefield is a young guy who’s entered into Jalopnik’s America’s Next Top Car Blogger competition and you can vote for him simply by clicking this link and reading his article. It’s about Saab and whilst I don’t like the headline (unnecessary negativity) it’s a good read.

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One of my mates in England, Mike P, took his 900 out on the weekend for a track day at Mallory Park. Very nice form, Mike.

Saab 900

Unfortunately, the car developed some electrical and fuel problems, shortening their day. Mike ponders if the car would make a good boat anchor, below 🙂

Saab 900

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Does anyone visiting here live in the Dallas or Fort Worth area and have a spare garage space I could use for around a month or so?

Just asking…..

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We’ve done a little bit on hypermiling and fuel economy in the past. Frankly, it’s not a huge interest of mine as I enjoy the turbo rush a little too much.

Still, for those of you who are interested, this guy got 51mpg (US measurement) from his Saab NG900.

Thanks to Charron for the tip!

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As seen at Landvetter airport, Gothenburg, by Henrik….

Saab 9-5 Landvetter

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Saab had a big marketing push in Italy last week to promote the new Saab 9-5.

This comprised:
– TV adverts on national channels
– banners on important websites such as www.lastampa.it
– full pages on national daily newspapers (like the one below).

Saab Italy Advert

The advert says

“those with their roots in the sky, could only create a car out of ordinary. The new 9-5 has arrived and thanks to its innovative solutions and advanced technology it offers a unique driving experience. New SAAB 9-5, drive it with different eyes. Discover it on Saturday 2nd and Sunday 3rd”

I hope the test drives went well!

Thanks to Carlo for the tip!

My economy run results

Today, our local Saab club had an economy run from Hobart to Derwent Bridge.
First of all, I want to thank you all for your hypermiling tips and emails the other day. My first action this morning was to empty the car of almost all the stuff I didn’t need. I was running short of time, so I left a few papers and things in there.
But out went the spare tire, a box of MX-5 parts in the back seat and Monte parts from the boot. My spare is a brand new looking Pirelli P6000, by the way. Very good.
Next I headed down to the local service station and pumped the tyres up to 45 pounds per corner. It was a little daunting as I did it, considering I had 300+ kilometers ahead of me and no spare.
The only other preparations for the morning were a recap of the tips you all offered. So with that, we were off.
Here’s the map again:
EconomyRun.jpg
On the way there, I employed all of the suggestions as well as I could remember them. I took Saabjohan’s suggestion about getting up to speed normally and then worked the gears and did as much cruising as I could on downhill sections.
I was as conservative as I felt necessary and averaged around 80 km/h or less for this leg of the trip.
My odometer read 164 kilometers by the time we got to the Derwent Bridge hotel for lunch and when I refilled the car there, I had used 12.9 litres of fuel. That gave me a fuel consumption figure of 7.8 litres per 100km.
If you’re ever wondering about the accuracy of your SID, mine was showing 7.8, so it seems to be pretty accurate.
That’s not exceptionally low according to some of the figures I’ve heard people mention here…….but I should explain a little about the route.
The road we drove today was fairly twisty and it took us into some of Tasmania’s hydro country. This is where there’s a bunch of highland lakes and reservoirs that feed into our hydro-electric power stations. We passed two of these hydro stations along the way and that involved some sustained hillclimbs.
The fact that we started near enough to sea level and ended up at an elevation of 774 meters should show that it was much more uphill than downhill, too.
I average around 12.5l/100km around our place, so 7.8 on a hilly, winding route isn’t too bad.
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On the trip home from Derwent Bridge, I drove home normally and averaged somewhere between 100km/h and 110. I took exactly the same road in reverse and overtook cars where I needed to and it was safe to do so.
When I got home, the SID had moved from 7.8 to 8.0 for the entire trip. I probably should have zeroed it prior to the second leg, but the difference was negligible enough for me to be happy to drive the way I normally drive.
I might employ a few of the low-consumption tips, but I found that thinking about it so much took some of the joy out of driving for me.
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We only had four cars turn out for this event. I’m not sure how the others went as I wanted to get home a bit earlier than the others. Hopefully I’ll find out soon and let you know.
Thanks again for all your help.

I need your hypermiling driving tips!

This weekend, I’ll be taking the Monte Carlo on an economy run with other members of the Saab Car Club here in Tasmania.
It’s the first club event that car’s been on, actually, so I’m really looking forward to it. I’m not sure if there are prizes involved, but I believe it is a competitive event – aiming to use as little fuel as possible ever the 150km or so of driving we’ll do.
EconomyRun.jpg
I’ve had a read over WooDz’s guide to driving for mileage, and I’ve got myself used to the idea of cleaning out ALL the clutter, staying within the first 3rd of the turbo gauge and slowing well in advance of a light.
But if anyone else out there has some experience with this type of one-off event and has some tips for a first-timer, please feel free to drop your advice in comments.
At least we get a free lunch!

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