Djup Strupe and a Saab 9-3 V6

As you might know, the 2010 Saab 9-3 is not offered with a V6 engine. I don’t know and haven’t heard anything, but I imagine that could be the case with the 2011 model as well.
I’ve just heard some news from Djup Strupe, however, that gives V6 aspirants some small cause for hope. This one is unconfirmed at this time, but the source is well placed so it’ll be interesting to hear if there’s any further developments on this.
The news, as I’ve heard it, is that there is a reasonable overage of V6 engine stock and that a limited run of Saab 9-3 sedans and Sportcombis, with the V6 and auto transmission, is being contemplated at the moment.
There’s no other news as to what sort of package might be assembled around that drivetrain, but my own personal opinion is that it could be a good basis for a Viggen edition of a 9-3 or something similar to establish some credentials under the new ownership.
Anyway, take it as unconfirmed but well sourced for the time being and watch this space.

2010 Saab 9-3 available with V6 in Poland

Many markets around the world are going without the V6 engine in the 2010 model Saab 9-3. This includes the big three: the United States, Sweden and Great Britain.
I’ve recently received information from Bravada, one of our regular visitors and a GMI correspondent, indicating that the Polish market – quite a passionate one, as the Saab Support Convoys showed us – will have a V6 option for 2010.
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The V6 is a small seller, so when it was withdrawn from major markets, it wasn’t that big a surprise to me.
But having it available, at least, seems to make some sense for those who want it and for those who consider it the mark of a prestige brand.
Personally speaking, it’s not really an issue for me. But I know some will be scratching their heads at this one.

Feedback on the 2.8T V6 reports

I emailed a few questions to Saab yesterday about the issues reported with the V6, which is used by Saab, although the issues reported were with the engine as used in the Cadillac SRX.

You can read about the issues here.

The questions and responses received from Magnus Hansson, Global Product Manager and all-round good bloke at Saab were as follows:

1) Do Cadillac run the same engine software in the SRX as what’ll be used in the 9-5 and 9-4x? Any reason for people to be concerned?

No, they will be different. For starters the brands have different requirements on driving charectaristics and secondly we need calibrations to cover more markets (than Cadillac).

Regarding concern. No, nothing I have seen or experienced in our car gives me any reasons to be concerned and in this specific case we will actually benefit from improvements that are made to SRX softwares and over all vehicle of course.

2) Is the 2.8 due for phase-out as stated in the Automobile article and if so, what will be the replacement?

That’s the writers own speculations. 2.8T is in our plans in the near future and we will meet all regulatory requirements as such of course. That said 2.8T will not live forever, however as to how we will replace it …… it is too premature for me to be specific about that, other than we will continue to cater to the more performance orientated customers out there interested in Saab.

It should be noted that Automobile magazine claimed the engine would be phased out due to emissions concerns. In contrast to that, I’d like to highlight a comment from ‘Johan’ – a guy with a lot experience and technical knowledge when it comes to Saab engineering:

The 2.8t in its latest version meets current and future exhaust emission standards. In Europe it meets Euro 5, and Euro 6 isn’t required until September 2014. It also quite common that an engine in a current car model isn’t reclassified for a newer emission standard until it’s required. An emission certification is engine, drivetrain and car model specific.

When Johan talks, I tend to listed very closely. There are a few Johans out there, of course, but hopefully the subject and nature of the conversation should help you recognise the right one.
My thanks to Magnus for the response.

Observed fuel economy after Maptuner Stage 1 upgrade

Early in the week I posted a video showing a friend of mine, John, doing a stage 1 upgrade on his 2006 Saab 9-3 Aero V6 using the new Maptuner plugin upgrade tool.
If you haven’t seen it yet click here to watch the video.
John recently did a road trip here in Tasmania, from Hobart to Devonport and back.
John has written to me about the fuel consumption he observed on this trip. I should tell you that the road driven here is basically the main highway here in Tasmania. As such, it’s reasonably flat, however Tassie is a hilly place so there’s also a good smattering of undulation along the way.
Hi Steve
Thought you might be interested in fuel consumption figures for the upgraded V6 ECU on a trip to Devonport on Friday 22nd & return on 23rd.
On both days the weather was fine and sunny with a light breeze for most of the way with a temperature of around 23 -24 degrees on the outward journey and around 25-26 on the return.
Vehicle load consisted of the driver and a substantial load of tools & equipment in the boot at least equal to another person.
Computer readings were all cleared at Brighton (see B on the map – SW) on the outward trip to remove last few days city driving consumption.
On the outward trip the traffic was medium (by our standard) although Mr Clarkson would have made comment on his pet hates (caravans and horse floats), so speed sometimes down to 95km/hr, at all opportunity speed was at cruise control setting of 108km/hr, air conditioner not used.
On the return trip the traffic was light but the temperature was a little higher for the first hour and the air conditioner was used intermittently, speed was at cruise setting of 108km/hr for nearly all the Midland Hwy (distance of, say 120km) as well as most of the Bass Hwy but more interruptions with traffic on the Bass Hwy.
Computer fuel consumption showed 7.4Ltrs/100km on arrival at Devonport (31.8mpg US and 38.2 mpg UK). Car was not moved until return journey, computer settings were not altered. On arrival in Hobart at 8pm on Saturday 23rd fuel consumption read 7.5 litres/100km (that’s 31.4mpg US and 37.7mpg UK).
Car was filled on premium fuel two days before the trip and filled again on arrival back in Hobart. The round trip was about 560 km.
Very pleased with the upgrade, throttle settings are noticeably lighter, the normally smooth running seems even smoother and passing performance is phenomenal.
Don’t forget that Maptun are offering a 20% discount this week on all of their software upgrades.
All you need to do to claim the discount is write “Saabs United” in the message field of your order form when you order from and they will apply the discount manually.
Click here for full details of the discount offer.

More on the coolant expansion tank ‘recall’ for V6 Saab 9-3s

I wrote yesterday about a customer service recall (“campaign 15460”) that had been issued by Saab and noted at Saab Central.
I’ve received a couple of emails since, which have helped clear up the nature of the issue.
First of all, it’s important to stress that this is not a safety recall of any sort. This is a customer satisfaction campaign – it’s Saab noticing there’s a problem with the car and doing a voluntary campaign to replace the faulty part.
Kudos to Saab for that.
Second, last night I was unsure as to whether this was just a US campaign, or whether it was a wider initiative. It is definitely the latter. Here in Australia, Saab sent out a letter last Friday to owners who may be effected by the issue (namely, anyone with a V6 model 9-3).
Finally, I’ve also received a copy of the original Saab notice about this fault and the campaign they’ve got underway to rectify it.
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Saab Australia have stressed to me via email the importance of ensuring your customer details are up to date on their databases so that they can let you know when campaigns like this are underway (which hopefully, they won’t have to do often).
If you buy a new car, they should have your information already. But what if you’ve moved house since then? It may be time to update your info.
Even if you buy a 2nd hand Saab, you can still have your details placed on their customer database in so that they can keep you in the loop if need be. It also helps at service time, too, as they’ll have your VIN and will know exactly what parts to order for the car.

Service recall for Saab V6 Aero owners – coolant tank

It seems there’s some sort of voluntary recall going on for the coolant expansion tanks in Saab 9-3s fitted with the V6 engine, both Aeros and Turbo Xs.
The full details are available over at Saab Central.
It seems to be a US thing at the moment. The recall number is #15460 and if you call Saab USA Customer Service and give them your VIN, they will check it and see if your car is covered.
Users over at Saab Central seem to be reporting satisfactory replacement of this item so far.
This recall was issued in July 2009, though interestingly, our resident GM Master Tech, Tedjs, identified it as an ongoing issue back in February 2008.
It’s good to see it addressed.

Thanks to Sapan for the heads-up!

No V6 for the Saab 9-3 in 2010? (reprise)

This re-post is sparked by a comment by “JV” today:

….The 2010 9-3 models will only be available with the 1.9TTid, 1.8t, 2.0t, and 2.0T. The XWD versions will only be available with the 2.0T engine. This is to comply with EU CO2 rules.
The Australian sourced V6 will therefore be discontinued for the 2010 model year onwards. If you want the V6 FWD or XWD in your 9-3, get it now because it will be gone after next year(Assuming there is a next year).

And an addendum:

The V6T will only be offered on the 2010 9-5. It is probably as it should be. Take note that all photos of the 2010 9-3X are with the 2.0T badging. This is not coincidence.
There is still a year left though. Perhaps they will allow the V6T in markets such as the US where CO2 rules are…well, non existent. I doubt it though because the cost to carry that expensive engine in one or two markets only would be very high.

To provide a little background information about this, I’d like to draw you back to two entries I did at Trollhattan Saab last year.
Djup Strupe and the Saab 9-3:

Heard from some reliable sources that there is talk, (or already even determined?) that there will be no v6 in the 9-3. Low volume and emissions being the reason. Originaly planed to be updated to the v6 today in the insignia. Now, its scratched. Is this the last year you can order a v6 in the small Saab?

and More Djup Strupe and the Saab 9-3:

As I understood the current 9-3 won’t get a facelift as previously planned. And it is the current 9-3 that you wont be able to get with a V6 in 2010. I asked and was told that this was the final year with the V6 in the 9-3. It was planned that the Insignia V6 would go into the 9-3, but that plan has been cancelled due to low demand, and probably due to the cost of getting it certified in the 9-3. And as I understand it, the current V6 is being made in too few numbers.
The next 9-3 wont, as some people wrote, fit a V6. The global compact (delta) has no V6.

These entries were from October 2008 and this latest information seems to confirm what we were told back then.
With the new 9-5 coming, it probably makes a lot of sense. It’s also a nice nod to the Saab ethos of turbocharged fours that their base model of the time would offer just that engine.
Hopefully they might upgrade the four cylinder in the 9-3, though, so that it makes a bit more power for the upper-level models. One of those DI-turbo engines might be nice.

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